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PeterMark SEO
PeterMarkSEO - Holiday, FL
Real Estate Technology, SEO Web Development

Skip the internet. Carrier pigeons are the future

If you want to be anonymous, have privacy, use Tor. Better yet your own server. VPN's just encrypt and delegate your privacy browsing. Some Consumer VPN's sell your browsing history. VPN's are just rerouted traffic tunnels but like 1 hop traceable. Good for quick geo location changes.

 

Tor has 3x the encryption but at a cost. Tor is very slow compared to a VPN. 3 hops in the tunnel if that makes sense. Since your data is routed through multiple relays, each with varying bandwidth, you are at the mercy of the slowest relay on your route. 

Tor is not a good choice for watching high-quality streaming videos or doing anything else that requires a high speed connection.

If you're doing revolutionary shit, use TOR it's open source, free and you can get a Tor browser. The more users the better it gets. Use Linux with Tor for additional protection.

Yes you can use both.

Nov 04, 2021 01:47 PM
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Ryan Huggins - Thousand Oaks, CA
https://HugginsHomes.com - Thousand Oaks, CA
Residential Real Estate and Investment Properties

TOR is good.  Best for privacy, although the FBI and other 3 letter agencies have been known to run several exit nodes so they can see what's going on.  TOR gives you access to ".onion" domains, which is where the so called "Dark Web" lives... along with ".l2tp" domains which was through a similar service.  Don't know if they're around still though, never caught on like TOR did.

 

TOR is produced by the Electronic Frontier Foundation ("EFF") which is an organization which fights for privacy on the internet (amongst other things).  TOR was a huge part of the Arab Spring uprising of several years ago.  Often it's used to get around internet shutdowns in more oppressive regiemes.  It's also a favorite of journalists and those working in more "risky" countries.

 

VPN gives you some privacy through encryption of your traffic.  Privacy is mostly from others on your network.  Avoid free ones for the most part, free usually means "you're the product".  NordVPN and ProtonVPN are frequently recommended by those in the privacy and security space.  You can also run a VPN server on your home network so that when you're traveling you can access your internal network files (for example you SAN or Media Server).  You can also use it to watch your Netflix and such and pretend to be on your home network.  Useful if you're in a country with content restrictions or your TV company's app blocks the good channels when outside the house.

Another great use of a VPN is to have your connection terminate in another country, so you can test not only what Google's Doodle for that country is, but if you're marketing to international business (say in France), you can log in to French Google FROM FRANCE and see how your SERPs look there.  They WILL BE DIFFERENT than US Google and even Google.FR from the USA.

Nov 04, 2021 05:10 PM
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Ron and Alexandra Seigel
Napa Consultants - Carpinteria, CA
Luxury Real Estate Branding, Marketing & Strategy

Fred,

Frankly I am clueless.  We clear our cache daily, and do our best to keep things secure...And with the new metaverse we become caged pigeons in an unreal world...count us out...A

Nov 04, 2021 04:41 PM
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Kathleen Daniels, Probate & Trust Specialist
KD Realty - 408.972.1822 - San Jose, CA
Probate Real Estate

The only thing I know I know is that I have a VPN.  

Parked and Reading.

 

Nov 04, 2021 01:21 PM
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Caroline Gerardo
Sun West Mortgage Corporation - Newport Beach, CA
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Nothing is 100% secure. VPN adds a layer of verification. TOR is the onion routing- it hides your location but they can climb in. 

Some tips in no order:

Change passwords, make them different, don't save them on phone or desktop. Don't have your checking, savings, and IRA on your phone and laptop. Use ONLY one credit card and look at it 5 times a week. Allow that card to send you alerts. Clear history. When you trash your phone or laptop take out the chip.  Don't click on links from incoming emails, just don't do it on your secure laptop and clean phone- use the library laptop for questionable links. If you must set up social media DO NOT give them your real date of birth or real home address.  You probably already gave it to Facebook and they sold it.  Use the same incorrect ones so you recall.  Don't let your bank track your voice, it's not secure.

Nov 04, 2021 01:13 PM
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Bob Crane
Woodland Management Service / Woodland Real Estate, EXP - Stevens Point, WI
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If they want to get to you bad enough, they will.  However following Carolines tips will help.

Nov 04, 2021 01:46 PM
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Wayne Martin
Wayne M Martin - Chicago, IL
Real Estate Broker - Retired

Way beyond me. Parked and reading.

Nov 05, 2021 04:01 AM
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Anna Banana Kruchten CRS, CRB, Phoenix Broker
HomeSmart Real Estate BR030809000 - Phoenix, AZ
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Well honestly my tech guy manages all this for us - Gary.  I think it's a VPN so now after reading so many answers I'll have to ask him tonight.  Good question Fred!

Nov 05, 2021 03:56 PM
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Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
Schaumburg Real Estate Agent Retired

This is Ryan's wheelhouse. I've read all the comments & now have a splitting headache.

Nov 05, 2021 07:16 AM
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Brian England
Vacasa - Gilbert, AZ
MBA, GRI, REALTOR® Real Estate in East Valley AZ

I have never known much about VPN nor have I used it that I know of.  I have heard of TOR but don't know much about it either.  I am sure I will learn something from the knowledgeable people in the Rain.

Nov 05, 2021 04:51 AM
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Roy Kelley
Realty Group Referrals - Gaithersburg, MD

Thanks to Ryan for an explanation.

Nov 05, 2021 04:45 AM
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Doug Dawes
KW Evolution - Topsfield, MA - Georgetown, MA
Your Personal Realtor®

This is interesting since I know nothing about this subject

Nov 05, 2021 08:11 AM
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Annette Lawrence , Palm Harbor, FL 727-420-4041
ReMax Realtec Group - Palm Harbor, FL
Making FLORIDA Real Estate EZ

I use TOR and VPN.
As Ryan pooints out TOR is a bit combursome. Personally, I have not activities except curiosity, that merits that level of inconvienence. But I do keep my access alive.
Real work is done via VPN.  Easy and conienent with the proper level of illusionary protection. Be aware, all if the brand name VPN providers give the 3 letter agencies, access to combat terrorism.  If you make your feeling known at a school board meeting you may become a ghost terrorist. Ryan did make suggestions for VPN that have a higher level of sercurity that just might obfuscate 'origin' information.
FB, twitter, Google and TT are the real thearts to demoncry. Those who control the informatin the public consumers controls the public.

Nov 05, 2021 05:12 AM
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Coldwell Banker Realty - Charlotte, NC
Your Greater Charlotte Realtor

Since I have no idea what TOR is, I can't answer your question, Fred. :(

Nov 06, 2021 04:43 AM