Roy Kelley (Retired)

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Thomas J. Nelson, REALTOR ® e-Pro CRS RCS-D Vets
Big Block Realty 858.232.8722 - La Jolla, CA
& Host of Postcards From Success Podcast

Luckily, they've been handled Roy; and your posting older news about them. We members get constant updates: software & info.

Zoom security have seriously stepped up and I've had to update my software almost daily in April to keep up with how much.

As a weekly user for almost 5 years, with no issues, and since COVID-19 I've stepped that up to 3-5 times per day the last 4 business weeks, with no issues.

Fools that publish their Zoom meeting links on social media will get hacked.

Closed membership groups and small group meetings; it's next to impossible to show up undetected. I see this as an issue caused by the rookies and the large groups vs. the experienced and the smaller meetings where attendance is manageable. But, Zoom responded immediately and with enhanced security measures and continues to step it up. Great to see them grow from this experience.

Selective meeting invitation: The host can selectively invite participants via email, IM, or SMS. This provides greater control over the distribution of the meeting access information. The host can also create the meeting to only allow members from a certain domain email to join.

Meeting Details Security: Zoom retains event details pertaining to a session for billing and reporting purposes. The event details are stored at the Zoom secured database and are available to the customer account administrator for review on the customer portal page once they have securely logged-on.

Application security: Zoom can encrypt all presentation content at the application layer using the Advanced Encryption Standard (AES) 256-bit algorithm. Zoom client group policy controls: Specifically applicable to the Zoom Meetings client for Windows and Zoom Rooms for Windows, administrators can define a broad set of client configuration settings that are enforced through Active Directory group policy controls. E2E

Chat Encryption: Zoom E2E chat encryption allows for a secured communication where only the intended recipient can read the secured message.

Zoom uses public and private key to encrypt the chat session with Advanced Encryption Standard (AES-256). Session keys are generated with a device-unique hardware ID to avoid data being read from other devices.

This ensures that the session can not be eavesdropped on or tampered with.



Apr 08, 2020 06:42 PM
Debe Maxwell, CRS | The Maxwell House Group | RE/MAX Executive | (704) 491-3310 - Charlotte, NC
The right Charlotte REALTOR!

So, this is my take on the fear-mongering that conspiracy theorists continue to tout...

#1 - ALWAYS seek the original source - not the 'reporting' source! 

#2 - With anything 'Big Brother,' I tell everyone that I have nothing to hide and anyone can listen in to what I have to say any time!

#3 - If you've ever used Zoom, you know how easy it would be to control unwanted users (which is all the real FBI warning was about).

That said, these articles are sensationalizing the REAL FBI report. Their very simplistic warnings are because users of Zoom shared their dial-in information publicly or with someone who later has an ax to grind with someone on the call. It's quite harmless - but, not according to those sites that you shared. It is SO easy to disable an 'intruder' on a Zoom conference - I mean within seconds.

This is what is wrong with journalism these days - they embelish, they lie, they fabricate and they offer their OPINION. Journalism is dead in MHO! 

Apr 08, 2020 11:18 PM
Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
Los Angeles Pasadena 818.516.4393

I am aware that there is no shortage of flaws.   

Apr 08, 2020 08:01 PM
Nina Hollander, Broker
Coldwell Banker Realty - Charlotte, NC
Your Greater Charlotte Realtor

I am, Roy... I first heard and read about them almost two weeks ago. However, I understand quite a number of these have already been addressed once they were identified.

Apr 09, 2020 04:49 AM
Jeff Dowler, CRS
eXp Realty of California, Inc. - Carlsbad, CA
The Southern California Relocation Dude

I've read quite a bit about them and it sounds like some things have been addressed in terms of passwords and using the Waiting Room, among other matters. I imagine there is still some more to be done. I should check with a client of mine who works there.

Apr 08, 2020 08:29 PM
Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - Wanda Can!
Red Rock Real Estate Brokered by Real - St. George, UT
St. George Utah Area Residential Sales Agent

Yes and another reason to avoid using the product! Thank you for sharing to further spread the information Roy.

Apr 08, 2020 05:35 PM
Karen Climer
Demetree School of Real Estate - Orlando, FL
Teaching people to pass the real estate exam

Is there any technology tool we use that does not have some security issues?  Everyone just has to decide for themselves whether the risks outweigh the rewards.

Apr 09, 2020 05:57 AM
Eva B. Liland Century 21 Doug Anderson
Century 21 Doug Anderson - Lancaster, CA
Glad to be of Service 661-714-1643

Zoom is always updating their software regarding security issues, especially these days when so many people are in a stay-at-home siruation nationwide. Thanks to Zoom, people can keep their sanity intact and stay in contact with their loved ones.

Apr 09, 2020 04:04 AM
Andrew Mooers | 207.532.6573
Northern Maine Real Estate-Aroostook County Broker

Roy Kelley Thanks for reminding us all to be vigilante. Update your software... all your latest versions is smarter than ever during the pandemic. Open mics, the camera never blinks and sees all is something to be aware of even without hacks. Live anything broadcast is not so predictable as pre-recorded! Facetime with the granddaughter I hope never gets curtailed. Send flowers... always look forward to your fresh cut or still on the stem digital flower arrangements.

Apr 09, 2020 03:41 AM
Carol Williams
Although I'm retired, I love sharing my knowledge and learning from other real estate industry professionals. - Wenatchee, WA
Retired Agent / Broker / Property Manager



Apr 08, 2020 05:56 PM
Steve Higgins
RE/MAX Kelowna - Kelowna, BC

I am not familiar with them thank you for sharing Roy. I am only using it for our Tuesday morning meetings not with clients at this time.

Apr 08, 2020 05:32 PM
Bob "RealMan" Timm
Ward County Notary Services - Minot, ND
Owner of Ward Co Notary Services retired RE Broker

Thanks for the info Roy Kelley . I've seen this mentioned here a lot but no explanation was given.

Apr 09, 2020 06:07 AM
Bob Crane
Woodland Management Service / Woodland Real Estate, KW Diversified - Stevens Point, WI
Forestland Experts! 715-204-9671

Russian hackers always up to something.

Apr 09, 2020 02:17 AM
Richie Alan Naggar
people first...then business Ran Right Realty - Riverside, CA
agent & author

Doom Zoom?  or  Zoom Doom?

Apr 08, 2020 06:27 PM
Doug Dawes
Keller Williams Realty Evolution - Topsfield, MA - Georgetown, MA
Your Personal Realtor®

I wasn't aware of the specifics but have heard a growing concern. I wonder if GoToMeeting or Blue Jeans have the same weak points in security?

Apr 09, 2020 07:11 AM
Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
Real Estate Agent Retired

Yes, supposedly they've just about fixed them from what I understand. You need to put in the meeting you want which should stop most of it.

Apr 09, 2020 07:01 AM
Frank Rubi
Frank Rubi Real Estate, LLC - Metairie, LA

I have heard of the breach with Zoom. They have been updating internally. The main security feature I use is not to place my meeting in the open. Only invite participants who need to know. 

Apr 09, 2020 06:16 AM
Wayne Martin
Wayne M Martin - Chicago, IL
Real Estate Broker - Retired

No Zoom for me! Sticking with Facetime for now! Maye some Skype.

Apr 09, 2020 05:41 AM
Scott Godzyk
Godzyk Real Estate Services - Manchester, NH
One of the Manchester NH's area Leading Agents

We have had some local incidents where both school classes and a town meeting were hacked this wee alone. 

Apr 09, 2020 05:31 AM
Kathleen Daniels, Probate & Trust Specialist
KD Realty - 408.972.1822 - San Jose, CA
Probate Real Estate

I am aware, Roy.  Thank you for bringing this to the AR community's attention.

Thankfully, I do not use Zoom.  I do not have a need. I prefer a phone call. 

Apr 09, 2020 09:01 AM
Ryan Huggins - Thousand Oaks, CA - Thousand Oaks, CA
Residential Real Estate and Investment Properties

Yes.  I was one of the first to mention them here.

Apr 09, 2020 08:51 AM
Brenda Mayette
Miranda Real Estate Group, Inc. - Glenville, NY
Getting results w/ knowledge & know-how!

Yup & I'm happy they've been addressed. 

Apr 09, 2020 07:21 AM
Brian England
Arizona Focus Realty - Gilbert, AZ
MBA, GRI, REALTOR® Real Estate in East Valley AZ

I have heard about them but I still don't know much about zoom.  I used it earlier in the week for a class and it seemed to work well.

Apr 09, 2020 06:43 AM
Jeff Pearl
RE/MAX Distinctive / LIC in VA - Lovettsville, VA
Full Service Full Time Realtor

Zoom is on top of security flaws, and fixes them as soon as possible. They recently had a software update. Zoom members should check their global and personal privacy settings which are frequently updated.

Apr 10, 2020 05:58 AM
Tony Lewis
Summit Real Estate Group - Valencia, CA
Summit Real Estate Group Valencia & Aliso Viejo

Yes and I am also aware that there are password protections as well.

Apr 09, 2020 01:25 PM
Ron and Alexandra Seigel
Napa Consultants - Carpinteria, CA
Luxury Real Estate Branding, Marketing & Strategy

Yes we are.

Roy, and a friend is teaching UCLA biz grad courses via zoom.  And he had used the fixes already, and it works.  A

Apr 09, 2020 12:15 PM
Sam Shueh
(408) 425-1601 - San Jose, CA
mba, cdpe, reopro, pe

 Its engineering and development has heavy presence in 3 Chinese cities with over 700 staff. As such it MUST MEET China snooping law to request data and profiles for AI data base for every person. In China every person data and profiles and movements are stored to keep track of .

Apr 09, 2020 07:05 AM
Olga Simoncelli
Veritas Prime, LLC dba Veritas Prime Real Estate - New Fairfield, CT
CONSULTANT, Real Estate Services & Risk Management

This stuff is scary; Zoom is working on it.

Apr 10, 2020 08:13 AM
Wayne Zuhl
Remax First Realty II - Cranford, NJ
The Last Name You'll Ever Need in Real Estate

We use Zoom a lot and have been flaw free, but we appreciate the added security Zoom has added these last 2 or 3 days.

Apr 10, 2020 07:44 AM
John Juarez
The Medford Real Estate Team - Fremont, CA

Zoom has fixed the flaws.

Apr 12, 2020 04:58 PM