5,112,471
No... I don't see one having much to do with the other. I wouldn't join at all. I considered this requirement to be an NAR member a form of enforced unionization. The only way I'd join and/or pay more if membership was voluntary is if I was convinced the public really understood and appreciated the connection.To the public we are all Realtors, whether we are or are not. And all this "baloney" about our living with a higher code of ethics... is also baloney... you can't teach ethics. I've met Realtors who are unethical and non-Realtors who are the ultimate in ethical. If you're not inclined to be ethical you won't be.
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Bob Crane
Stevens Point, WI
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Pete Xavier
Pacific Palisades, CA
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Diana Dahlberg
Pleasant Prairie, WI
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Ryan Huggins - Thousan...
Thousand Oaks, CA
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Ron and Alexandra Seigel
Carpinteria, CA
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Kathleen Daniels, Prob...
San Jose, CA
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Bruce Walter
West Lafayette, IN
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J.R. Schloemer
Louisville, KY
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Anthony Acosta - ALLAT...
Atlanta, GA
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Carol Williams
Wenatchee, WA
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Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
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Peter Testa
Danbury, CT
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Eve Alexander
Tampa, FL
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Fred Griffin Florida R...
Tallahassee, FL
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Silvia Dukes PA, Broke...
Spring Hill, FL
2,684,569
Good morning, Bob.
No. I will be going MLS-only in January.
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Bob Crane
Stevens Point, WI
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Pete Xavier
Pacific Palisades, CA
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Mott Marvin Kornicki
Sunny Isles, FL
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Diana Dahlberg
Pleasant Prairie, WI
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Ryan Huggins - Thousan...
Thousand Oaks, CA
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Ron and Alexandra Seigel
Carpinteria, CA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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J.R. Schloemer
Louisville, KY
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
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Peter Testa
Danbury, CT
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Eve Alexander
Tampa, FL
1,506,013
NAR would have to do some serious convincing that they are worth the membership. Plus, they would need to have buy-in from a "critical mass" of the public. Currently the term "real estate agent", "real estate salesperson" and "realtor" interchangable and "realtor" has been demoted to common vernacular and has ZERO recognition in the public as a trade organization.
The forced code of ethics invalidates the code because you agree to it under duress (don't agree and don't get access to the MLS). That is their biggest selling point, but it is all too easy to break the code and the punishment for breaking it is (in most cases) a strongly worded letter. Some associations even make the complaint process so arduous that filing one is all but discouraged!
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
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Bob Crane
Stevens Point, WI
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Pete Xavier
Pacific Palisades, CA
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Candice A. Donofrio
Fort Mohave, AZ
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Kathleen Daniels, Prob...
San Jose, CA
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Diana Dahlberg
Pleasant Prairie, WI
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
2,221,377
Most likely not Bob.
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Bob Crane
Stevens Point, WI
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Pete Xavier
Pacific Palisades, CA
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Diana Dahlberg
Pleasant Prairie, WI
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Peter Testa
Danbury, CT
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Anthony Acosta - ALLAT...
Atlanta, GA
4,582,184
Not likely. Value/worth would likely be a consideration as is any activity.
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Bob Crane
Stevens Point, WI
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Pete Xavier
Pacific Palisades, CA
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Diana Dahlberg
Pleasant Prairie, WI
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Ron and Alexandra Seigel
Carpinteria, CA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Anthony Acosta - ALLAT...
Atlanta, GA
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Tony and Suzanne Marri...
Scottsdale, AZ
3,416,038
NOT unless all current management was fired and they start over with people wh actually care about Realtors
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Debbie Laity
Cedaredge, CO
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Bob Crane
Stevens Point, WI
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Pete Xavier
Pacific Palisades, CA
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Diana Dahlberg
Pleasant Prairie, WI
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Peter Testa
Danbury, CT
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
5,254,035
It would have to be a totally revamped organization, Bob. Right now, anyone can be one and there is NO exclusivity whatsoever. You're onto something with the higher standards and EARNING the right to join.
We all have a sour taste in our mouths about NAR right now and I feel like lack of enforcement and the ability to report CoE violations is one of those hot topics for those who care about this being a PROFESSIONAL organization.
That's not even considering the logo debacle, the money overspent on lobbying and the fact that they sold us down the river when they sold Realtor.com!
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Debbie Laity
Cedaredge, CO
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Bob Crane
Stevens Point, WI
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Pete Xavier
Pacific Palisades, CA
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Diana Dahlberg
Pleasant Prairie, WI
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Kathleen Daniels, Prob...
San Jose, CA
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Peter Testa
Danbury, CT
1,056,272
Value of NAR:
COE
Tools/forms.
COE can be rolled and smoked. People get away with violating it every single day. 99% of the time it's more trouble than it's worth to enforce.
Basically worthless.
This leaves the forms. Necessary evil.
So what would be your definition of earning the right to join?
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Peter Testa
Danbury, CT
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Bob Crane
Stevens Point, WI
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Pete Xavier
Pacific Palisades, CA
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Diana Dahlberg
Pleasant Prairie, WI
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Candice A. Donofrio
Fort Mohave, AZ
1,846,901
No No No ..... I don't think it's worth it now except for the contracts they help construct with the help of local attorneys that volunteer.
I do not think that ANY organizations we can belong too now are exclusive - using that word is a joke like a golf club. Paying to join doesn't make the membership worthwhile.
That's the problem.
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Bob Crane
Stevens Point, WI
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Pete Xavier
Pacific Palisades, CA
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Diana Dahlberg
Pleasant Prairie, WI
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Candice A. Donofrio
Fort Mohave, AZ
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
759,485
I wouldn't, I'd save that money. I don't see the value in the Realtor name. Most of the public doesn't realize that there's a difference between a Real Estate Agent & a Realtor & if they knew the difference I doubt they'd make a decision based on that. I also don't see any benefits to belonging to this association. I would much rather not be a member.
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Bob Crane
Stevens Point, WI
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Pete Xavier
Pacific Palisades, CA
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Diana Dahlberg
Pleasant Prairie, WI
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Anthony Acosta - ALLAT...
Atlanta, GA
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
510,564
No, I probably would not join unless they could show some tangible return. NAR has lived too long by promoting the use of Realtor® as the major benefit. The only person that thinks Realtor® is important is Phil Dunphy.
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Debbie Laity
Cedaredge, CO
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Bob Crane
Stevens Point, WI
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Pete Xavier
Pacific Palisades, CA
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Diana Dahlberg
Pleasant Prairie, WI
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
509,449
Not for me. I don't see much benefit in it.
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Bob Crane
Stevens Point, WI
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Pete Xavier
Pacific Palisades, CA
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Diana Dahlberg
Pleasant Prairie, WI
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
3,349,404
I am willing to pay more for anything that I perceive has value. Being forced to pay for anything does not bode well for me. Memberships for the most part only mean something to the members. The public does not understand our associations or the real estate business, in general.
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Bob Crane
Stevens Point, WI
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Pete Xavier
Pacific Palisades, CA
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Diana Dahlberg
Pleasant Prairie, WI
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
1,553,319
Yes, but then I wouldn't be in NAR. Same reason I no longer belong to Unions nor Gangs.
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Bob Crane
Stevens Point, WI
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Pete Xavier
Pacific Palisades, CA
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Diana Dahlberg
Pleasant Prairie, WI
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
5,239,001
What they say they do for you and what they do for you are almost juxtaposed! So, not worthwhile either way!
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Bob Crane
Stevens Point, WI
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Pete Xavier
Pacific Palisades, CA
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Diana Dahlberg
Pleasant Prairie, WI
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
7,863,184
No.
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Bob Crane
Stevens Point, WI
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Pete Xavier
Pacific Palisades, CA
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Diana Dahlberg
Pleasant Prairie, WI
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
430,282
In theory this is an excellent idea and proposition.
In reality, associations begin to find reasons to “need” more things to give the “members” more “value”. At that point they begin to outspend their revenue. To prevent raising dues they open to more members and when they see the influx of money the association starts taking on more and more members to make more money. It’s a vicious circle as old as time and I do not see any way to fix it without enforcing repercussions for the injustices already happening everyday
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Bob Crane
Stevens Point, WI
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Pete Xavier
Pacific Palisades, CA
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Diana Dahlberg
Pleasant Prairie, WI
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Candice A. Donofrio
Fort Mohave, AZ
3,071,489
Michael Jacobs nailed this one!
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Bob Crane
Stevens Point, WI
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Pete Xavier
Pacific Palisades, CA
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Diana Dahlberg
Pleasant Prairie, WI
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
902,038
I would NOT be a member!
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Bob Crane
Stevens Point, WI
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Pete Xavier
Pacific Palisades, CA
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Diana Dahlberg
Pleasant Prairie, WI
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
249,699
I'd be in favor of higher standards.
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Pete Xavier
Pacific Palisades, CA
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Diana Dahlberg
Pleasant Prairie, WI
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Bob Crane
Stevens Point, WI
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
766,079
Yes, right after paying my voluntary taxes.
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Bob Crane
Stevens Point, WI
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Pete Xavier
Pacific Palisades, CA
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Candice A. Donofrio
Fort Mohave, AZ
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Diana Dahlberg
Pleasant Prairie, WI
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
5,583,328
no.... I'm done with them starting with the next billing....
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Bob Crane
Stevens Point, WI
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Pete Xavier
Pacific Palisades, CA
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Diana Dahlberg
Pleasant Prairie, WI
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
5,772,581
Bob,
I agree with Nina Hollander
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Bob Crane
Stevens Point, WI
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Pete Xavier
Pacific Palisades, CA
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Diana Dahlberg
Pleasant Prairie, WI
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
5,060,544
Not likely. The value is not there.
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Bob Crane
Stevens Point, WI
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Pete Xavier
Pacific Palisades, CA
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Diana Dahlberg
Pleasant Prairie, WI
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
2,784,566
Right now its a "moose" type club when it should be more....
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Bob Crane
Stevens Point, WI
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Pete Xavier
Pacific Palisades, CA
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Diana Dahlberg
Pleasant Prairie, WI
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
1,241,754
This is called an involuntary inflation.
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Bob Crane
Stevens Point, WI
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Pete Xavier
Pacific Palisades, CA
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Diana Dahlberg
Pleasant Prairie, WI
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
4,800,132
I would not.
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Bob Crane
Stevens Point, WI
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Pete Xavier
Pacific Palisades, CA
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Diana Dahlberg
Pleasant Prairie, WI
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
4,434,177
No.
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Bob Crane
Stevens Point, WI
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Pete Xavier
Pacific Palisades, CA
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Fred Griffin Florida R...
Tallahassee, FL
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
2,224,473
As involved as I am in leadership at both the local and state level, I don't see much value in my NAR membership. Of course the state meetings try to get you pumped up for being a REALTOR®, but really the consumer doesn't know the difference. Even after all the money NAR has spent to try to increase this awareness.
I completely agree with what Nina Hollander has to say.
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Bob Crane
Stevens Point, WI
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Pete Xavier
Pacific Palisades, CA
956,152
I wish I had to right NOT to join when I was "forced" to be a member for MLS access. Considering NAR's actions and inaction, I do not view membership in NAR a value, more so a detriment to the profession...
Complaint is about the value of NAR!
(The state & local associations did bring benefit and value to the table. IMO)
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Debbie Laity
Cedaredge, CO
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Peter Testa
Danbury, CT
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Bob Crane
Stevens Point, WI
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
679,404
I am with the majority on this one ... I would not.
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Bob Crane
Stevens Point, WI
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Pete Xavier
Pacific Palisades, CA
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Peter Testa
Danbury, CT
2,187,587
If I were still licensed, YES I would. I still think NAR has an important role to play if they get back on track with their focus and financial priorities.
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Pete Xavier
Pacific Palisades, CA
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Bob Crane
Stevens Point, WI
1,712,776
I think to a certain extent this is out of NARs hands as to what changes.
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Diana Dahlberg
Pleasant Prairie, WI
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Bob Crane
Stevens Point, WI
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
4,319,773
Bob Crane - if not required... then why?
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Pete Xavier
Pacific Palisades, CA
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Bob Crane
Stevens Point, WI
4,900,966
No way I want to pay more.
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Bob Crane
Stevens Point, WI
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Pete Xavier
Pacific Palisades, CA
716,529
Based on the assumpations you make - yes.
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Bob Crane
Stevens Point, WI
544,014
Only if they showed me the value
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Bob Crane
Stevens Point, WI
3,986,308
Bob, you have some great points and thoughts
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Bob Crane
Stevens Point, WI
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Pete Xavier
Pacific Palisades, CA
1,728,156
That depends on if, for once, the NAR provided value for our money
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Bob Crane
Stevens Point, WI
4,960,497
921,504
"Undeserving members like it is now."
Sounds like the start of a rant.
So, lets play.
List those organizations with the high standards and meaningful 'discrimination' for which your are a champion. What are the 'higer standards' to which you refer?
When choice is removed resentment grows. And that is more descriptive of 'like it is now." and likely a motivation behind your question. YOU want to leave, but you can't.
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Bob Crane
Stevens Point, WI
5,877,335