1,231,853
As others have said there is a difference between steering and referring and perhaps recommending a particular agent. Unfortunately it happens to our disadvantage. Ugh
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Jennifer Mackay
Panama City, FL
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Tony and Suzanne Marri...
Scottsdale, AZ
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Steve Higgins
Kelowna, BC
1,531,044
No idea about Maryland, I suggest contacting your board or state's legal hotline.
Either way, I think that lender is a dick.
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Kathleen Daniels, Prob...
San Jose, CA
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Raj Taj
Lake Bluff, IL
1,276,516
Check with your local board. It does not sound good but that is different from being "legal"
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Peter Mohylsky, Beach ...
Miramar Beach, FL
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Steve Higgins
Kelowna, BC
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Mary Yonkers
Erie, PA
5,440,365
Yes, it's legal - lenders do not have the same 'referral' rules that we do in either of my states (NC or SC).
And, ultimately, it's the buyers' decision.
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Steve Higgins
Kelowna, BC
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John Pusa
Glendale, CA
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Anita Clark
Warner Robins, GA
1,761,543
Not sure about MD law, but there are local lenders who recommend me and my company, and I do the same for some local lenders (not always those who recommend me). Ultimately, the clients make the choice, and I remind them of that.
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
2,227,228
Check with your local board
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Steve Higgins
Kelowna, BC
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Anthony Acosta - ALLAT...
Atlanta, GA
5,584,078
check with your board....
but I would think no one owns a buyer.... and unless you have a buyer agreement with that buyer, he/she is up for grabs....the lender can refer business... it's not steering, it's referring.... when you refer to another agent, that's not called steering...it's referring....and you can get a fee...the lender can't take a fee....
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Debbie Gartner
White Plains, NY
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Mary Yonkers
Erie, PA
4,697,394
From what you have shared, I don't see "steering" as the issue. I do like the way Ryan Huggins - Thousand Oaks, CA summed up his feelings on the subject.
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Ryan Huggins - Thousan...
Thousand Oaks, CA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Steve Higgins
Kelowna, BC
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Anthony Acosta - ALLAT...
Atlanta, GA
1,244,750
As you mention, there is a difference in steering and referring
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Steve Higgins
Kelowna, BC
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John Pusa
Glendale, CA
1,866,338
It is legal here in IL. But .... the LO is steering this particular buyer to an agent that will also guarantee (if possible) a closed transaction. Could also be that your buyer is complaining behind your back as you've said you've worked with that buyer for 2 years. Is that really a buyer?
Incorrect usage of 'steering' BTW.
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Candice A. Donofrio
Fort Mohave, AZ
1,091,505
I would be willing to bet that it is simply bad form, unless a financial incentive was offered in which case I think that might be a problem. Did the buyer go with the other agent? If they did, after all the time you spent with them then I would say the buyer's as much of a problem as the lender. Does the other agent know that you have been working with the buyer all that time? I'll check back to see what other answers come in.
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Candice A. Donofrio
Fort Mohave, AZ
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
928,698
Actually an unsigned "customer". I know lenders here that recommend certain agents. Not illegal, but it's a risk. That lender / loan officer could lose more business than they gain from that tactic.
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
823,785
I don't believe it is.
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Anthony Acosta - ALLAT...
Atlanta, GA
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
8,086,411
It happens all of the time. Have them stay with your trusted local mortgage loan officer.
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Kasey & John Boles
Boise, ID
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
2,240,761
Probably not illegal
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Mary Yonkers
Erie, PA
2,699,987
Hi, Thomas.
As other suggested, consult the attorney for your local Board or Association.
In my opinion, unless there is a RESPA violaton, probably not.
With respect, this is why we should get signed commission agreements before investing a lot of time into a customer.
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Mary Yonkers
Erie, PA
2,830,050
What a good question...rather than opinionate, lets find out more Thomas
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Steve Higgins
Kelowna, BC
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Mary Yonkers
Erie, PA
3,416,322
If you worked with them for 2 years, you shoul dhave had them signe dup to invest that much time in anyone. Shame on the lender and although nt illegal, unethical in my book and not good for business. Call them and let them know, but your buyer has flown the coup. Try calling your buyer too
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
3,073,909
Another reason why it's so important to have a signed Buyer Broker Agreement...
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
5,067,801
Don't see a legal issue here.
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
3,627,372
Key word is "steer" not "refer". I would be interested in what MD law says about it
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
423,443
Here in Florida it happens frequently. The lender has the right to "refer" just as much as anyone else does. It is unfortunate but I don't think it is illegal.
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
5,254,189
Unless the lender held a gun to your person's head, it's probably not illegal. Then again, I don'ty know anything about Maryland laws. Why have you invested two years in working with someone who is unsigned.... and they are not a "client" if unsigned. And I'd ask why after two years the person you've worked with doesn't have some sense of loyalty to you even without a signed agreement.
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Anita Clark
Warner Robins, GA
544,114
Get an exclusive buyer agency agreement. Also, provide great service so they won't want to leave you.
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
5,220,847
I'd check with your local board so you are clear on your question. Steering might not be the right word it might be called referring.
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
3,408,890
I'd check with your broker or real estate attorney.
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
3,988,138
If there is no compensation or tie-in (Fair Housing) involved then the lender can certainly make a suggestion.
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
352,976
I would not think it's illegal but I'm not a lawyer and don't know if Maryland has rules that would state otherwise.
In CA we have the Buyer Broker Agreement that protects our commission if completed properly and the buyer reads, understands and signs.
If you have been working with a Buyer for 2 years, I would ask why are they taking so long to buy and why would you continue with them without a contract?
I would not even begin the process without this protection and if they have not bought in 2 years they probably aren't going to buy.
I would not want to do business with that lender however.
Be sure to post the end result.
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
4,317,162
Thomas Huot Generally, it is not ethical. But check with your local board.
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
20,135
I looked through my books, and Googled this question of course, but could find no definite answer. My board is closed now, but I will discuss it with them on Monday.
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Fred Griffin Florida R...
Tallahassee, FL
5,141,819
As others have said I would check with your Board. I would think a lender could suggest an agent or more than one but certainly not require it.
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Mary Yonkers
Erie, PA
1,713,576
Most state associations have a legal hotline. Your broker should also have counsel.
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Mary Yonkers
Erie, PA
509,499
I'm not sure Thomas Huot ! I usually give 3 or more lenders to my buyers and I tell them they are free to select anyone including those outside my referrals.
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
577,850
Anyone can refer someone to an agent. We are not allowed here to pay "bird dog" fess to anyone who sends business our way.... But a small gift card to say thank you might be appropriate.
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
321,664
It happens. Lender could say they referred not steered the client.
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
602,025
I don't think it would be considered "steering" in the legal sense. When someone asks for a plumber, I refer them tothe plumbers I think are the best. I don't see anything wrong with referring them to a particular person.
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
3,208,540
that's not steering, it's called recommending and I think it's perfectly legal.
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
1,746,327
Sounds like that lender won't be in business long. They need to offer up at least three coices of recommended agents and let the buyer decide. No idea about Maryland Law
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
5,426,991
No law against offering an opinion. I would let that lender know you are anxious to return the favor! Maybe his boss to
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
846,475
I would be careful using the word "steering" for any matter.
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
1,004,518
Can you prove steering?
If not, perhaps it was just a recommendation?
Nothing else to do if you can't prove it - move on
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
4,800,282
I don't think there's a law unless there's compensation involved.
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
1,258,333
More like agent insists some other loan person to qualify a well qualified buyer. An all cash buyer will upset that ALL CASH offers were not be reviewed until that loan agent looks over.
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
6,625,542
Very few lawyers here, but your association will have someone who will know. It is important to get that agency agreement signed.
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
3,986,423
Depends on why the lender is steering to a certain agent,.
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
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Doug Dawes
Topsfield, MA
1,643,560
It is just a referral, you would do the same referring your client to your preferred lender( if you have one or few). If you already have relationship( and hopefully buyer representation signed), just talk to your client and explain that they have no obligation to use a lender recommended agent.
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
4,321,670
It is an attorney question, Thomas Huot.
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
917,943
It's a referral, not steering, the clients have a choice. Get them signed up (although that doesn't always guarantee anything either).
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
Charlotte, NC
5,773,934
Thomas,
Check with your board, and the lenders we know do not do that. A
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Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
4,434,227
1,598,552
5,965,942
I know some of our local lenders refer out REALTORS, and know they are not under the same rules we have as REALTORS.
55,673
Having been in the mortgage business 48 years and my wife a Realtor for 38 years....I DO NOT steer any business her way. It is not illegal,but certainly unethical. We both do very,very well financially, I would not want to lose business over a few deals a year.
5,145,632