Joseph Brown

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Kathleen Daniels, Probate & Trust Specialist
KD Realty - 408.972.1822 - San Jose, CA
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IGNORANCE is no Defense.  We know or should know ... and if we don't ... pleading ignorant won't cut the legal mustard. 

Let's not confuse political leaders with real estate agents ... 

Jul 10, 2016 02:49 AM
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Barbara Todaro
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I don't know any real estate agents who have the "juice' that Hillary has.... and that's what it's all about..... "the juice"...

Jul 10, 2016 02:10 AM
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Diana Dahlberg
1 Month Realty - Pleasant Prairie, WI
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I didn't know you could commit fraud without knowing you were doing so?  And as far as Hillary C goes ... she should be in jail.

Jul 10, 2016 02:07 AM
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Teri Pacitto
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First...accident and Fraud should not be in the same sentence.  Fraud is not by accident.  That's all.

Jul 10, 2016 03:17 AM
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Michael Setunsky
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Joseph Brown Yes, I do. It was due to an escrow account violation and the person lost their real estate license.

Jul 10, 2016 02:05 AM
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Gabe Sanders
Real Estate of Florida specializing in Martin County Residential Homes, Condos and Land Sales - Stuart, FL
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I don't believe your analogy is appropriate.

Jul 10, 2016 02:30 AM
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Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
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Intent does not have to be there to prove fraud IMHO. 

Jul 10, 2016 01:56 AM
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Mary Yonkers
Alan Kells School of Real Estate/Howard Hanna Real Estate - Erie, PA
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Your question is okay but the analogy you used has nothing to do with real estate. Keep focus on real estate here.

Jul 10, 2016 05:32 AM
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Ryan Huggins - Thousand Oaks, CA
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The FBI found evidence, look at any of the interviews with the FBI Director.  Bill and Loretta put pressure on him to silence him (afterall he has a nice salary and pension to worry about).  Remember, this is the party that has the dead vote for them (2016 CBS: The Dead are voting 2012 NBC Bay Area: Dead and Still Voting).

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I don't know of anyone who ACCIDENTALLY committed fraud, but I know some who knowingly and willingly committed it (even to the point of signing documents as the ex-wife).

 

Oh and last I checked, IGNORANCE OF THE LAW IS NO EXCUSE!!

Jul 10, 2016 03:51 AM
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Debbie Reynolds, C21 Platinum Properties
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I don't think your can unintentionally commit Fraud. That is a willful act meaning you know you are doing something wrong or you shouldn't be doing.

Jul 10, 2016 07:08 AM
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Nina Hollander, Broker
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Well, I've heard of people who said it was accidental. Some I've believed and some I haven't. 

Jul 10, 2016 06:28 AM
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Will Hamm
Hamm Homes - Aurora, CO
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I know I never did, can not say about anyone else.

Jul 10, 2016 06:23 AM
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Yolanda Cordova-Gilbert
Richmond, TX

No I do not thank goodness!

Jul 10, 2016 06:02 AM
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Sam Shueh
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 "Accident" is an excuse not a valid defense.  

If you accidently remove one "0 " off the listing price of the home you list, you are not in hot water. You are fired. 

Jul 10, 2016 03:58 AM
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Eve Alexander
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Like Hillary...Real Estate agents are let off the hook every day!

Agents don't bother to file complaints and those that do usually find that justice is not what it should be.

Eve

Jul 10, 2016 03:24 AM
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Tom Burris
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I never have.... I highly suspect that some of my clients did. Especially when I was a new loan officer and didn't know what questions to ask. 

 

Jul 11, 2016 10:24 AM
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Richard Weeks
Dallas, TX
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I would need to know if that individual had used a private email server.

Jul 10, 2016 11:16 PM
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Gita Bantwal
RE/MAX Centre Realtors - Warwick, PA
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No.

Jul 10, 2016 09:26 PM
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Roy Kelley
Retired - Gaithersburg, MD

I am not familiar with accidental fraud.

Jul 10, 2016 09:07 PM
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Praful Thakkar
LAER Realty Partners - Andover, MA
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Joseph Brown - not so much in Real Estate...

Jul 10, 2016 04:21 PM
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Evelyn Johnston
Friends & Neighbors Real Estate - Elkhart, IN
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I don't know how you could differentiate between accidentally and intentionally committing fraud.  I think most prisons are full of people who really didn't do it on purpose...

Jul 10, 2016 02:18 PM
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Bob Crane
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Carelessness and Fraud are not the same, I believe that Intent is required for one of them to exist.

Jul 10, 2016 12:42 PM
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Lise Howe
Keller Williams Capital Properties - Washington, DC
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I love the debate here

Jul 10, 2016 12:17 PM
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Sybil Campbell
Fernandina Beach, FL
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I don't know anyone who has committed fraud in real estate, with or without intent.

Jul 10, 2016 12:03 PM
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Dorie Dillard Austin TX
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You don't accidentally commit fraud in real estate! Ignorance is not a defense!

Jul 10, 2016 11:40 AM
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Steve Snyder
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I think many people have. Intent and knowingly commiting a crime is essential for effective prosecution.

Jul 10, 2016 09:43 AM
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Joe Pryor
The Virtual Real Estate Team - Oklahoma City, OK
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Sounds like being a little bit pregnant.

Jul 10, 2016 09:31 AM
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Fred Griffin Florida Real Estate
Fred Griffin Real Estate - Tallahassee, FL
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 Hillary Clinton is a demon-possessed piece of excrement.

Sorry, but I can't get past your example to consider your question.

Jul 10, 2016 08:14 AM