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INSPIRED BY A POST THIS A.M. REPRIMANDING AGENTS FOR NOT TAKING A RENTAL REFERRAL.

NO APOLIGIES:  I am a real estate broker/owner of a "for profit" company.  I am not a public service organization with a government grant.  I have many years of experience.  I prioritize my business focus based on the market and profitibility.  There is no profit in rentals.  Rentals are a "LOSS LEADER" offered by listing companies. 

The problem is not that most agents who have any experience or business do not want to handle rentals.  The problem is that they are asked to handle rentals.  By asking an agent to do rentals, you are asking an agent to lose money, lose time and lose opportunity. 

RENTALS DON'T PAY ENOUGH.  The average co-op for handling a rental in my area is 1/4 of one month's rent.  If the average rent is $2,000 (it's actually $1,922), that means that there is likely to be a $500 fee.  If the agent has a broker split, it could be a $250 fee to the agent.  If there is a referral fee, the agent handling the rental could see a final fee of about $165.  In today's economy, that is not gas money

RENTAL FEES DON'T COMPENSATE FOR THE RISK INVOLVED IN WALKING OUT YOUR DOOR IN THE A.M. Don't forget, rental clients can take 2-3 days or more to find a suitable property.  If the client has a pet, it may be harder.  We do have large brokerages in my area that have huge rental management departments.  I refer rental calls to that office and advise the caller to go into the office.  I'm not looking for a referral fee.  I do not refer rental customers, with the exception of one agent who said he wants them for his team.  There have been times, however, when he's not been able to accommodate a home buyer customer.  I wonder if any of his team was tied up with a rental?????

AGENTS ARE NOT INDENTURED.  I don't understand the theory that just because one must have a real estate license to handle rentals, that a real estate licensee must handle rentals.  I was furious when our MLS merged the rental database with the homes for sale database.  Fact is, our MLS has no interest in our profitability.  I do.  Not just my profitability, the profitability of all agents in my network is important.  I recall contacting an agent to refer a $400,000 home buyer for the coming weekend and she was not available because she was busy showing rentals.  She sacrificed the potential of a $12,000 gross fee for the potential of a $500 gross fee. 

I WANT MY REFERRAL AGENTS TO EARN A GOOD INCOME.  There is no money in rentals.  I don't want my agent partners tied up with rentals.  I want them to focus on buyers. 

Does Nordstrom have to sell KEDs just because they offer Ferragamo?   

We are in business and we have the right to determine what services we offer. 

LISTING OFFICES CAN HANDLE RENTALS.  Let rental customers work with offices that have agents that specialize in rentals.  Most offices have agents who will gladly work with rental customers.  These are agents who need experience.  They have no active buyer clients. 

LESSONS LEARNED THE HARD WAY.  I handled my share of rentals in my early years of real estate practice.  I know how time consuming they can be.  I also know that it is the agent that bears the responsibility for the costs involved.  Time is a cost to anyone in business.  When I was with a mega brokerage, I had to take rental referrals from the relocation department in order to get the relocating home buyers.  That was an accommodation I had to make.  Later, when I generated sufficient business, I stopped taking both relocating rentals and relocating buyers.  The 30-35% net fee to the agent didn't make sense.  It still doesn't. 

Another lesson learned the hard way is that few rental clients become buyers.  I have the stats and annecdotes cannot dispute that there are buyers and there are renters.  They are rarely the same people.  If a relocating client says that they want to rent for a year and then find a house to buy, fine.  We have no way of knowing if that statement is true.  Nor do we know that they won't meet many real estate agents at their new job, new church, new PTA, new block, new school, new grocery store, etc.  You can rent to a relocating family, but you can't live with them.  I've sold many homes to folks who came to town a year ago and decided to rent for a year with another agent.  They contacted me from my web site when they were ready to buy.   They didn't contact the agent who handled their rental.   Of course, if their new boss's wife is a real estate agent. . . . . . . .

Don't forget, you are at the same risk with a rental client as with a buying client. 

Don't forget, the rental customer can walk into a local apartment building that doesn't co-op and rent. 

Don't forget, many rental customers are renting because their credit doesn't qualify them to buy.  They don't realize that good credit is required to rent through real estate offices too. 

Don't forget, if Lenn contacts you with a $1,000,000 home buyer who is coming in town next week to find a home to buy and you're tied up with a rental customer, your business sense, your common sense and, indeed, your sanity will be questioned. 

WHAT IS YOUR MARKETING NICHE??  Identify your niche, model, focus, market and go for it. 

All things considered, I'd rather go fishing.

THE EXCEPTION TO ALL OF THE ABOVE is a buyer who needs a rental while their home is under construction or awaiting settlement.  Of course, we help them find a rental.  Even Lenn does that and if the lease is up before the house is finished, just bring them home. 

UPDATE:  The member who inspired this post just reminded me that she did not try to "shame" anyone into handling the rental referral, nor was she seeking a referral fee.  She's right.  In fact, a second reading of her post makes me think I did her a disservice.  So, at this point, I'd link to it and everyone can enjoy a post that has some much needed humor.  However, it's MEMBERS ONLY.  An enterprising ActiveRain member can find Kara's post. 

Actually, the real message in Kara's post is the difficulty of reaching out to agents and actually getting one on the phone.  Shucks, I've had that problem with $1,000,000 referrals. 

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156 Comments on I DON'T DO RENTALS. YOU CAN'T MAKE ME. YOU CAN'T SHAME ME INTO HANDLING RENTALS!

Lenn,

No one really likes doing rentals but in this market I see more and more agents taking them...I've actually made some good income from them over the years...I actually got a fairly easy one right her on AR without having to pay a referral fee..the member didn't want to deal with it and I offered but they refused...the only problem is the other agent doesn't seem to care much about the process for their clients so I'm stuck doing the work. But that's pretty normal since they don't do the work in a sale either. I won't take anything under 1,500 and no seasonals under 4 months at 2000 a month...thankfully all have been within a 5 mile radius..but survival in this market has made many top producing agent do more of them to stay in the biz. They can definitely be a hassle but I'm ok with them in most cases.

10/10/2008 06:30 AM by Neal Bloom-Realtor ® Assoc.-CRS-Weston FL (RE/MAX Premier Associates)


Lenn - I try to stay clear of rentals for the reasons outlined. I will work with a client who needs temporary housing and plans on buying in the near future but  never for someone who calls out of the blue looking to find one.

10/10/2008 06:32 AM by Bill Gassett Metrowest Massachusetts Real Estate (RE/MAX Executive Realty)


Lenn-I will respectful disagree on some points.  I am a busy agent but I do squeeze in rentals when I can.  I don't drive hiter and yon to do it.  In fact a good deal of my rentals I have done within walking distance of my house :-)   I've had rental clients who once they saw what was available to rent decide to go ahead and buy instead.  In addition I keep in touch with rental clients and then sold them a house the next year.  If another agent referred a potential rental client to me and then asked for a referral fee I would tell them to pound sand and any agent who asks for a referral fee on a rental should have their license revoked. 

10/10/2008 06:50 AM by Cindy Jones-Northern Virginia Real Estate & Military Relocation Services (RE/MAX Allegiance #1 RE/MAX Company in the World)


I believe you!  I believe you!

 

I don't handle rentals for those reasons, too.  SO much work, so little pay, whiney tenants, grumpy owners with vacant homes.  I'd rather make nothing than deal with the aggravation.

10/10/2008 06:50 AM by Chris Elizabeth Griffith ~ Bonita Springs Fl Real Estate (Keller Williams Elite Realty, Bonita Springs, FL)


Lenn, I started in this business as a property manager. I actually managed vacation rentals for Brits. I handled all aspects of the property plus I coordinated the weekly rentals. From this I also started taking on regular residential rentals. BUT I was smart enough when I started all of this to negotiate "residual income". I received a percentage of the rent EVERY month even though I wasn't the owner of the company. All the while I was doing this I was working on selling vacations homes. This all lasted for about 3 years before I was able to leave and open up Tutas Towne Realty. i NEVER handled another rental of any sort:)

10/10/2008 06:53 AM by Bryant Tutas-Tutas Towne Realty, Inc


I am with you and Chris Elizabeth Griffin.  I read that post you spoke of and I also commented on it.  I mentioned there that I will do rentals for a fee, so far no one has been willing to pay my fee.

10/10/2008 06:55 AM by Marlene Pellegrini Realtor® ERA REALTY PROs - Eastern Connecticut (The Dan Sperduto Home Selling Team)


Lenn...

In our area it's a scam. Most offer a $100 fee to a co-op! Yeah, after broker split it is NOT gas money.

Here's why it's a scam. The listing agent KNOWS the co-op agent will simply offer the listing agent's telephone number rather than waste one minute of time ... tons of free IDX advertising!

10/10/2008 07:00 AM by Richard Weisser Coweta Fayette Real Estate ERA United Realty


Marlene.  Good for you.  You are smarter than the average bear.

Bryant.  "i NEVER handled another rental of any sort:)"

That just about says it all. 

Chris.  I have the same opinion.  I have many, many things to do without doing rentals.  Time with a rental would interfere with my ActiveRain time.

Cindy.  The ActiveRain post I saw this a.m. was looking for a referral fee.  In most areas in MD and Northern VA, you can't walk to a grocery store, let alone a variety of rentals. 

Bill.  Me too.

Neal.  I believe that showing and processing rentals is good experience for a newly licensed agent.  Then. . . . .

10/10/2008 07:03 AM by Lenn Harley Homefinders.com MD & VA Real Estate


Richard. 

BINGO!!!

When a rental consumer calls me and they do, over and over and over, I tell them to "go to the largest real estate office in the area where you want to rent, ask for the broker, and tell them you need help finding a rental. 

That works. 

I can't begin to tell you how disgusted I was when our rental and for sale database was merged. I'm sure it was to accomodate the mega brokers who are all shareholders in our MLS system. 

10/10/2008 07:15 AM by Lenn Harley Homefinders.com MD & VA Real Estate


Lenn, I'm with you on this one!  I've done one in 25 years, and that was to find a place for my second ex-husband to facilitate his move out of my house!  Not worth the trouble, aggravation or liability for the pittance they pay agents to do it. At least not around these parts.

10/10/2008 07:24 AM by Patricia Kennedy (Evers & Company)


Lenn, I'm with you on this one!  I've done one in 25 years, and that was to find a place for my second ex-husband to facilitate his move out of my house!  Not worth the trouble, aggravation or liability for the pittance they pay agents to do it. At least not around these parts.

10/10/2008 07:24 AM by Patricia Kennedy (Evers & Company)


Amen Lenn and you are truly preaching to the choir on this one....I handle a few for former clients that are out of state and at deserver a little mercy but it is as you say "not for profit".

10/10/2008 07:50 AM by Julie Chapman Realty Homes Brunswick Georgia


Lenn- I will NOT do rentals. You say they have just as much liability, I say, they may have even more liability depending on the state you live in.

I am a, what is the highest and best use of my time, kinda gal and rentals do not compute!

The time that you take to show and do rentals is time you are taking away from getting listings and buyers. This makes no sense at all for the fee involved.

Here, there are too many new laws regarding rentals that I don't even want to be responsible for!

But most important, above all , it is ALL about your thinking! If you think the market in your area is so bad that you have to take rentals, guess what! It will be SO!

Change your thinking and you change your business.

I am NOT an indentured servant either! Great post!

10/10/2008 07:51 AM by Nestor & Katerina Gasset Realtors® Wellington Florida Luxury Homes (International Properties and Investments, Inc.)


Lenn,  Many agents don't think as business owners.  If they really gave some thought to the risk and time involved they might make another choice.  When I think about the time I have and the things I have to do the commercial aspect of highest and best use comes to mind.

10/10/2008 07:54 AM by Richard Iarossi - REALTOR® Crofton MD Real Estate (Long and Foster® Real Estate, Inc.)


Richard.  Smart thinking. 

Katerina.  Thanks.  I agree with everything you wrote.  Folk trying to shame me into taking a rental referral will not work.

Julie.  I agree.  An agent who sees profit in rental co-ops has no conception of profit. 

Patricia.  You were obviously very motivated.  I suspect that, under the same scenario, I'd have done the same. 

 

10/10/2008 08:02 AM by Lenn Harley Homefinders.com MD & VA Real Estate


Lenn, I've handled just one rental in the last year.  It was for someone relocating in to my area and he was referred to me by a client that has gifted me with many referrals over the years. 

The other rental calls I receive I refer to a company (RentalPros) in our area who specialize in this.

I feel the same way you do and I would like to add something else:  The fee received isn't even 5% of my E & O deductible should there be any issues at all later.

Not worth the liability incurred.

10/10/2008 08:09 AM by Kris Wales-Macomb County MI real estate -Ask me about buyers agency in Michigan (RE/MAX Advantage 1, Inc.)


In Atlanta the most a rental pays is about $150.  It will not cover the gas, office administrative fees, the liability from E&O, or even pay for lunch after the deal closes.  I do not do rentals either.

10/10/2008 08:27 AM by Jim Crawford ~ Atlanta Real Estate-ABR E-PRO (RE/MAX Greater Atlanta)


Lenn- Almost everybody in this business has done rentals of any type, me included. Experienced Listing and Buyers agents agree it is a waste of time and money. Agents have to figure out for themselves if it is feasible and your post clarifies it.

10/10/2008 08:27 AM by Petra Norris - Lakeland Florida Realtor® Lakeland Florida Real Estate, (CDV TransAtlantic, Inc.)


No rentals coming to me...luckily our company has an entire division to handle them...I give one phone number and the rest is history

10/10/2008 09:02 AM by Jeremy Blanton Myrtle Beach Real Estate (Coldwell Banker Chicora Real Estate)


Yes, yes and yes, but... while rentals don't pay much and eats up your gas they can pay off big when they are ready to buy.  I had a client rent a home - a 1 yr lease - but after 3 months got out if his lease and purchase a $850,000 home from me.  Well worth my gas money.

10/10/2008 09:08 AM by Kathy Fey (Fey & Associates)


Kathy.  That is a situation where I believe that we could have helped the buyer make that decision before renting.  If not, that consumer was always going to be a buyer.  Too many really are not.

Jeremy.  Makes sense to me.

Petra.  Thanks.  I agree.  Trying to shame me into taking rental referrals isn't going to work.

Jim.  Good for you.

Kris.  Liability and RISK have a lot to do with how I make decisions. 

10/10/2008 09:15 AM by Lenn Harley Homefinders.com MD & VA Real Estate


Lenn, I ended up netting a total of $81.50 from the last rental client I helped. They were a referral from another agent, decided not to buy after looking at homes for 2 days and rented instead. The commission offered was only a small percentage of one years rent. I spent more than the commission on gasoline alone on that one.

10/10/2008 09:36 AM by Rich Mielke, REALTOR, Frederick Maryland Real Estate (Realty Executives of Frederick MD)


While I am not an agent maybe I can offer you another view on rentals. When I moved to Weston Florida I needed to rent first,. I was not sure if I wanted to build or buy a re-sale. I figured if I rented it would give me time to get to know the area and the neighborhood. Even in 1995 when I arrived here I found it hard to find an agent to help me. I can tell you when it was time to BUY my home I did not even consider using any of the agents who were too busy to help me find a temporary rental. I ended up purchasing a house over $400,000 one year later. I am sure the agent would not have minded helping me then. Too bad they were not on my list of possible Realtors. I realize times are different now and many people are going into rentals for who knows how long, but believe me when things turn around, and they will, I am sure anyone you refuse to help now will not call you again to purchase a home. I wish I was as independent in business as some of the Realtors I have come across. Unfortunately in my business of Credit Repair I can not be as particular. Most of my clients would be happy to be able to afford to pay their rent never mind a mortgage.

Happy Friday ,

Lori Isaacson

10/10/2008 09:44 AM by Lori Isaacson (Credit Restoration Consultants)


Haa! That's funny.

Have you ever gotten through a short sale after several months of pulling out hair and gnashing of teeth, only to have the bank cut the commission down to a minuscule percentile?

That alone makes thr rentals look very appealing.

These are opportunities to work with folks who may eventually become future buyers. So stay on your high horse, and ride it all the way to the food stamp office.

10/10/2008 09:48 AM by Rob & Jeannie Steward (Weichert, Realtors)


I refer folks who need a rental to a great property manager and I call my investor clients who have rentals and find out if they have anything....that is the extent of my work.  It is more a service to my investors than the renters.  There are alot of rental referral companies and so on so I am willing to refer to them, it IS what they do and usually have a long term contract with the people they work with ( I don't manage properties)

10/10/2008 09:48 AM by Anna Matsunaga (Team Momentum Keller Williams Realty Tacoma)


to (do) rental or not to (do) Rental! that is the question! -  has to be on a case by case basis. You need to get paid for your time and gas money. However, a rent commission rarely covers your time. Though, I have had some great clients come from rentals or referrals as a resutl.

10/10/2008 09:52 AM by James Wexler, Scottsdale AZ Luxury Homes (Coldwell Banker) (wexzilla.com)


I so needed this post, I do not want to do rentals, currently I am in the processing of working on a rental and it is not worth my time or trouble, this is a favor for a friends boss and it will be my last, No shame, just gonna learn to say "No, to rentals"

10/10/2008 09:52 AM by


Lenn- What a powerful post! I found myself nodding while reading! Thanks. It is such a difficult issue. I have made money in the past, but it was never worth the time.

10/10/2008 09:52 AM by Cherimie Crane, Beaufort SC Real Estate (Advanced Real Estate Company)


I'm with you, Lenn - I refer rental clients to brokerages that specialize in rentals...and that I have had good reports on.  The $25 to $50 coop offered on a lot of rental property here is ridiculous.  After splits?  C'mon...and that's worth the liability?  Puhleeze!

10/10/2008 09:55 AM by Kent Simpson REALTOR®, CNS®, AHS®, RECS® (with The Pepper Group™ Diversified Real Estate)


Rob and Jeannie.  No need to be snide

The "eventually become future buyers" is a canard that has been disputed by experienced agents for years.  Since ROI is beyond your comprehension, you'll have to learn the hard way, or not.

Your financial niavety is exceeded only by your market ignorance.

If you believe that experienced and inexperienced agents are of a different class, you have a lot to learn about earning a living.  We all put our jeans on one leg at a time. 

Shucks, when I was with your broker, I fell for the "renters may become buyers" nonsense too.  I didn't know any better.

Once I started focusing my time on what pays, I started making real money.  Enough to buy high horses.   

If your time has no value, do rentals. 

10/10/2008 09:58 AM by Lenn Harley Homefinders.com MD & VA Real Estate


Sorry to come off as flippant. I was really only venting my short sale frustration. I don't seek out renters and only reserve the right to take them or give them away.

No need to be calling names. We are neither niave or ignorant. Although I resent your comment, I'll chalk it up to the fact that everyone has a bad day once in a while.

Again, I very sincerely apologize for upsetting you.

10/10/2008 10:04 AM by Rob & Jeannie Steward (Weichert, Realtors)


I admit we have done 2 in the last year. One was for a former client, it paid $1000, we  did'nt have the heart to refer her. The second is for a relo, their home is on the market, we have worked extensively with them and this paid $860. Both these clients have an upside. That said, we predominately hand them over to the listing agent. I have seen commisions as low as $150 and listing agent will handle all paper work (????) who gives a crap about the paper work!

10/10/2008 10:08 AM by Get Us A Home Realty - Frank & Jodi Real Estate Brokers


Rob and Jeannie.  There was no need to start a class fight over who does and does not do rentals. 

I'm the nicest person on the face of the earth.  But, when insulted, . . . . .

The time I have saved by not doing rentals has given me the time to learn how to not be caught with a low fee on a short sale. 

10/10/2008 10:11 AM by Lenn Harley Homefinders.com MD & VA Real Estate


I tend to agree with you Lenn-  I am still new to this industry..however, the few times I have dealt with rentals- major pain in the you know what.  You put just as much work in for pennies when it is split up.  I would rather hang out with my kids spending money than working on rentals "spending money."

10/10/2008 10:11 AM by Tina Allen (ERA Breese, Craft & Hensley)


I don't do rentals either.  BUT, this is what I will do.  Refer them to a reputable Property Manager who will SEND THEM BACK TO YOU when they are ready to buy.  Yes, there are a few, so hunt them down and befriend them.

10/10/2008 10:15 AM by Teresa King, e-PRO Mobile, Daphne & Fairhope,AL (RE/MAX By the Bay)


I think we should have to take different test allowing us to do the different specialties within real estate. There is no way in the world I am qualified to act as a property manager. All the disclosures of mold and whatnot, I don't even know what all. Not to mention the keeping of records. It is a specialty that requires special education. And specialist knowledge of not just state laws, but municipal.
Great points in your post!

10/10/2008 10:17 AM by Sarah Nopp, REALTOR(R), CRS. RE/MAX Four Seasons, Olympia WA (RE/MAX Four Seasons)


Hi Lenn. Thanks for sharing your wisdom. I did a rental once.....only once. I won't do them anymore and there are agents that tell me I have no idea what I'm missing. Sure I do.......they can have them. :)

10/10/2008 10:18 AM by Pamela Williamson Team Saint Louis, Missouri Real Estate (Nolting Real Estate and Development)


Lori.  Are you sure that it's a good idea to use an experienced Buyer's Agent or broker to do a rental???  You'd have done better with a property management company who specialized in rentals.

The rental market is not the sales market.  The specialities are quite different.  Reviewing a lease for a prospective tenant is not the same as reviewing a sales contract for a prospective home buyers.

We learn by experience.  The experience in sales doesn't qualify a person to do a good job for a rental. 

When you selected an agent to help you with a purchase, you might have looked for the best Buyer's Agent you could find with sales experience.  Looking for someone who would do a rental isn't a great way to find a good Buyer's Agent.

Most Buyer's Agents I know don't even know how to review a lease for a prospective tenant. It's highly specialized. 

 

10/10/2008 10:19 AM by Lenn Harley Homefinders.com MD & VA Real Estate


Pamela.  I agree.  They are simply justifying what they do because they probably have low expectations for their income.

Sarah.  You made a great point.  The specialities are different.  I know both.  I also know from experienced that most Buyer's Agents are not QUALIFIED to review a lease.  For those of us who are qualified, we know that it's not worth our time.

Teresa.  You are one smart lady. 

 

10/10/2008 10:24 AM by Lenn Harley Homefinders.com MD & VA Real Estate


AMEN Lenn! No rentals. I just recently, for the first time, decided to help a sweet older lady with a rental (against my judgement) and said "sweet old lady" screwed me. No more rentals.

10/10/2008 10:24 AM by Sharon Young REALTOR® Bonita Springs, Fl (Keller Williams Elite Realty, Bonita Springs Florida)


Tina.  I would rather go fishing, or paint a picture, or write a post on ActiveRain, or get some photos, or visit with family, or shop, or take a CE class, or  .. . . . . .

Notice that cleaning house was not included. 

10/10/2008 10:25 AM by Lenn Harley Homefinders.com MD & VA Real Estate


Lynn,

With sales slow right now, rentals are the only thing feeding my family! Also, I do handle rentals for others and do not like it but that too helps the bottom line.

10/10/2008 10:28 AM by Mike Frazier, Dyersburg Tn Real Estate (Carousel Realty of Dyer County)


I've only scanned the responses, so forgive me if this has already been addressed. But what do you do when a seller wants to list to sell, and also show it's available for lease as well?

Just curious.

10/10/2008 10:29 AM by Michael Cole (CPG Tours)


Rob and Jeanne. 

An apology that isn't an apology doesn't work either.  You didn't apologize for your snide comment.  You tried to impute some inability of mine to manage my temperment. 

On the contrary, I'm having a very good day.  I'm trying to decide whether to buy some stock, trade in my vehicle, buy an investment property, buy a tree or other fun stuff.

You haven't the capacity to "upset" me.  Words are my life.  It's an excercise in watching you did the hole deeper and deeper.

 

10/10/2008 10:30 AM by Lenn Harley Homefinders.com MD & VA Real Estate


Lenn,  You are right on. Rentals in Huntsville pay DIRT money.  The "Rental agent" offers the "Renters agent" a whopping $50 to $100 to bring a renter. Are you kidding me?  I don't want the headache, nor the liability of representing a renter.  The way I see it, I could be spending my time in a much more productive way to find new business. 

10/10/2008 10:33 AM by Huntsville, Alabama Real Estate Agent Elizabeth Ramsey Cooper-Golden (Remax Huntsville/Madison)


I have never participated in dealing with rentals.  I did the math, figured the time and expense and came up with the same answer as you.  Granted, sometimes this can generate business down the road, but I think that too much time is required for the payoff. 

10/10/2008 10:36 AM by Roger Stensland (Brio Realty)


I handle rentals when I have the time and have associates who work with me on them.  What is the hidden treasure in rentals is that these clients often rent short term and then buy something.  In addition, I have received many referrals from tenants who have co-workers interested in buying or selling their homes.  So.. I respectfully disagree with you regarding rentals and how lucrative they can be.  I consider them to be part of "relationship building and opportunity time"!

10/10/2008 10:38 AM by Coldwell Banker La Jolla l Susan Laxson & Associates (Coldwell Banker Residential)


Not understanding you. You're not getting the meaning of the white flag. You can edit your posts all you want adding things and removing lines like "I will delete this whole thread!"

 

Peace. truce, what ever. No need to get upset. You're right. You win. Have a great day.

10/10/2008 10:39 AM by Rob & Jeannie Steward (Weichert, Realtors)


Rentals can be a quick & easy source of profit to compliment your "real" business.  I started in the business from the ground up, mostly with renters as clients.  By staying in touch, those renters that started my real estate business have since turned into buyers that keep my business going.  Life-long clients who stick with me because I WOULD help them find a home to lease until they were ready to buy...when so many other "Realtors" (I use quotes because the term refers to your level of service, not your level of income...some abuse that) wouldn't give them the time of day...even the agents who listed the rental properties!!

I approach this business from a standpoint of HELPING clients find a place to live (rent, buy or squat!).  My theory is that if I do my job RIGHT (providing top knotch service to ALL and not chasing dollars), the money will come...and it does!  Have I lost money on a tenant or two?  Sure.  Have I lost money & time on a buyer or two?  Just as often, it's the nature of this business.  Another aspect of this business is that you do get to choose what clients you want to work with...so more power to the "Realtor" who decides against quick & easy rental income...more for me!

I believe the trick is to screen the people you decide to work with up front, buyer, seller or tenant.  I turn them away just the same, if I don't think they're in a position to move.  It really just comes down to best use of time.  If you have 15 listings and 10 buyers, you don't need to waste time with tenants...if you're building a young or struggling business, this may be the niche for you??

Guess this whole comment can be summed up with "different strokes for different folks!"  What works for some may not work for you.

10/10/2008 10:49 AM by The Real Estate Choice


You are sooo wrong about why I choose whom I did. And by the way all of the buyers agents I contacted did know how to review a lease. Perhaps the reason you are so against rentals is that you are not as qualified as most of the agents I have come in contact with. As far as getting a rise out of me, good luck. From the comments you have made to others including me, you are not even the type of person I would like to bother getting to know. Consider this a so long for good and I am about to refer as many people I can to the nice people you have spent so much of your day criticizing. Sorry you are so unhappy. I realize I do not have the capicity to hurt you and words are your life but I do have the capicity to refer all of my leads to Ron and Jeannie Steward.......

 

 

10/10/2008 10:59 AM by Lori Isaacson (Credit Restoration Consultants)


One more point...SYSTEMS MUST BE IN PLACE.  YOU must dictate the process or else the tenants WILL run you ragged and waste your time (all of it).

With the right systems in place, renters can make for a very profitable niche with relatively little time & effort on your part.

10/10/2008 11:01 AM by The Real Estate Choice


Wow Lenn. This post and most of these comments are brilliant, but those people that seem intent on fighting on your blog...no merit at all. You should delete their comments and this one. As always Lenn thanks for sharing your wisdom.

10/10/2008 11:01 AM by Pamela Williamson Team Saint Louis, Missouri Real Estate (Nolting Real Estate and Development)


Lenn... You are right, rentals don't pay much in a way of a commission.  But we are in the service business and finding homes is our job.  NO, I am NOT telling you what to do.. just my viewpoint for what it is worth.  On the other side of this coin, there has been lots of times, that the people I have found rents for have bought a home from me as well.  Two of this cases they have referred friends to me that have bought homes too.

valerie osterhoudt

10/10/2008 11:11 AM by Valerie Osterhoudt (Johnson Real Estate, Inc.)


LENN- I totally loved this post!   Excellent and right to the point.

10/10/2008 11:15 AM by Allison Stewart REALTOR ®St. Cloud Florida (Florida Pines Realty, Inc)


Kevin.  I appreciate your thoughtful comments.  Here's the thing.  Goodness, I sound like Adrian Monk.

Handling a rental well, meaining qualifying, searching, previewing, touring and showing, going back to see some more than once, making the application, eventually reviewing the lease, the pre-occupancy walk-through, etc. is very time consuming.  The fee is very low.  The risk is very high.

Of course, the benefits is the experience.  The question then becomes, what sort of experience will enhance your busines?  Do I want the inventory of rentals in a particular price range/location in my head and records??   Or, do I want to use my time to learn the inventory for a location/price range for homes for sale?? 

In the long run, I believe that our business and eventual earnings are better served by focusing on the market of homes for sale.  I spend a lot of time visiting and staying on top of the new homes market in my area.  As a result, I sell a lot of new homes.  We sell what we want to sell and what we focus on. 

What's my time worth??  I bill my time at $150-200 per hour for consulting.  I could not possibly make that much on a rental.

I just closed a home with a $31,000 commission.  I track all of my time.  I spent exactly 51 hours with that buyer.  That comes to $607 per hour for that sale. 

There isn't a rental in my market that is worth my time. 

 

10/10/2008 11:16 AM by Lenn Harley Homefinders.com MD & VA Real Estate


The front desk handed me a rental call. I explained that while I was licensed to do rentals, I was not experienced in rentals, and I didn't want to use him to learn on, did he? End of story. Thank you. Good-by.

10/10/2008 11:24 AM by Vickie Nagy, Realtor, Specializing in San Ramon, Danville & the Tri-Valley! (Empire Realty Associates)


Pamela.  Thanks.  Folks fighting on my blog are wasting their time. 

The remark by Rob and Jeannie Steward was snide and insulting. 

So stay on your high horse, and ride it all the way to the food stamp office.

I don't ride a horse to the food stamp office.  I ride a Sequoia to the bank. 

 

10/10/2008 11:26 AM by Lenn Harley Homefinders.com MD & VA Real Estate


Rentals just don't fit in your business plan, and that makes perfect sense.  With a good system in place (and a better split...I can't believe your market only dictates $50 - $150 rental commission!!!) you can eliminate a LOT of the face time spent with renters.  In addition, if you're working with several at a time, you save a lot of time and increase your profit per tenant.

It's not difficult to average over $100/hr working with tenants in the Houston market with the right system in place.  Though that's a pay cut from working with buyers, it sure beats giving up & going to get a job in one of the local plants working for "the man."  (whoever he or she may be??)

In my business model, tenants make a great source of future business and provide a nice compliment to my regular income.  By no means could I live off tenants alone!!

Someone above mentioned the benefit to investor clients if you rub elbows with tenants regularly...investors are my main source of clients.  Maybe that has something to do with me working more rentals as well.

10/10/2008 11:27 AM by The Real Estate Choice


the beauty of this business is that its our business, and we can run it however we see fit. I happen to agree with you, that I would rather refer the client to an agent or office who specializes in this, rather than take the rental which may very well take me away from focusing on sales. There are exceptions to this, depending upon the situation, but generally I agree

10/10/2008 11:29 AM by Team Carroll Cranford NJ,Westfield NJ Scotch Plains NJ Real Estate (Team Carroll - RE/MAX Classic Group)


Great topic, by the way!  Gotta love a good, healthy debate (only the good ones get a little out of hand) every now & then!

10/10/2008 11:31 AM by The Real Estate Choice


"Rentals" are a niche - same as "property management" and "HOA management."  I don't handle rental generally because I can't handle them efficiently - not because I don't  have enough expertise to do so.  I would submit that brokerages handle this type of work can do so effectively because they have the systems set up and rely on volume to drive the numbers.  I understande that "rentals" can be used as a gateway to obtain more business.  However, I can't justify the time to develop systems and to market to this niche on a single deal basis.  I pass on these deals and refer it to a brokerage specializing in rental (and only rentals).  It has helped to build my network and I receive referrals for sales in return.

10/10/2008 11:44 AM by Ryan Shaughnessy, Broker/Attorney - Your Lafayette Square Real Estate Partner (PREA Signature Realty)


With all respect for those who don't do rentals:

I never did rentals before I moved to Connecticut, and opened up my own independent office.

Rentals are not exactly dirt cheap here, and since I don't have to share my commission, whatever I get, I keep.  I suppose that is an upside of doing a rental. Usually, we work with someone who is looking to move within the month.   (Disclaimer:  some are not so easy---that's when you weed 'em out)

Since no one is buying (like they used to), and people are being foreclosed on; if these people are not moving in with a relative, or living in a van under a bridge, they usually rent. 

Lately, you do see a lot of homes that are FOR SALE, and FOR RENT at the same time.

The fact is since the market is not booming, you can schedule, and modify your schedule to accomodate the different needs of your customers.

In regard to credit scores, and applications.  If you get individuals with so-so credit, the landlord may make concessions to get someone in there, especially if the rental has been on the market a while.  Also,  if a potential tenant has great credit, the landlord may discount the actually monthly fee.  So, there is a little negotiation, and little attention to details, and follow-up, but like I said, if you keep the whole enchilada you eventually have a banquet in the bank.

 

 

 

 

 

 

10/10/2008 11:45 AM by Ruthman Real Estate (Ruthman Real Estate)


Ruthman.

You make some very good points.  Rentals are profitable in some markets.  I know agents in Beach communities that do very well with rentals. 

In my market, however, most agents who do rentals do so because they have no better business.  The post that started all of this was an agent who was looking from across the country to refer a rental. 

Then there is the accusation that, since our license permits us to do rentals, we are duty bound to to them. 

Your scenario makes perfect sense and if I were in that market, NY, NJ, CT, etc. I'd do them too.

 

10/10/2008 11:52 AM by Lenn Harley Homefinders.com MD & VA Real Estate