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ActiveRain is a networking site where members of the Real Estate community -Realtors, Loan Officers, Home Stagers, Notaries etc. - can network with their peers and discuss industry related topics.  Most of the content (except posts designated Members Only) is also open to the public offering consumers an unique perspective on what‘s happening in the Real Estate Industry, from an insider's point of view.  Unfortunately, ActiveRain is also a bit of a popularity contest, with members competing to be the most read, have the most associates, and earn the most points.  As a result, there are rarely any members who try to "rock the boat" and challenge the status quo, and those who do often suffer repercussions.  That's a shame, because ActiveRain's guiding principles actually encourage "constructive  dialogue", "spirited discourse", and "dissenting or contrarian points of view" but instead the community often feels like High School, with everyone striving to be part of the "in crowd" and shying from expressing any individual points of view.

A few days ago, I dared to write a post in which I happened to disagree with another member on the subject of whether someone should or should not qualify for a loan based on his particular credit, income, and personal situation.  In my post I never even mentioned the other member's name, although I did link back to his post along with other articles and posts supporting my position.  My intention was never to attack this particular person, but rather to offer an opposing (read less popular) point of view.  However, my post angered some members who accused me of attacking their associate and attacking mortgage brokers in general.  This is absurd since I am a mortgage broker and the particular statement against mortgage brokers which angered everyone was taken out of context.   The sad part is that although some people were secure enough to publicly post comments agreeing with me, others contacted privately via email to offer their support.  It was rather like the star player of the high school basketball team, who secretly has a passion for singing, and agrees to audition for the High School Musical, as long as the jocks and other popular kids do not find out. 

Alas, I am not the only person who seems to have encountered the unwritten ActiveRain rule that having a dissenting opinion is frowned on in the community, and will not only make you unpopular it may also get you deleted.  Consider this post by Tim Maitski, who dared to opine that Real Estate (despite popular opinion) is not always such a great investment.  He gets a whopping two comments on his post (one of them mine) and also mentions that he originally posted his thought in someone else's blog only to have it deleted.    Then there is Dave Daniels who offers sensible business and marketing advice like the importance of spelling correctly on your presentation materials or investing in professional marketing materials in order to attract new business.   He too, manages to anger some and get deleted by others.  I should also mention the popular featured post about a female Realtor with um, "large assets" in which not only were the comments made by some offended members deleted, but  a subsequent post  was written calling those who were offended "crybabies" under the reasoning that if you don't agree with someone's blog, don't bother to comment at all.

Another tactic employed on ActiveRain in order to deal with those who dare to disagree seems to be to simply ignore their comments and pretend they don't exist.  Not many people read through all of the comment section anyway, so why bother to draw attention to opposing opinions, right?  I noticed that on one popular featured post, which generated hundreds of comments, that those who brought up valid points disagreeing with the author were ignored and those who agreed with the author were acknowledged and thanked.  On the other hand, in a different post written by a different author, offering a counter opinion where the blogger dared to call the other author  "wrong",  dissenting opinions were both welcomed and acknowledged.  That's how things should work on ActiveRain, as the true test of the strength of an argument is how it stands up to critics.

For the record, I may as well get some of my other "unpopular" opinions off of my chest, lest they get deleted somewhere else:

1)      I don't believe that now is necessarily the best time to buy, despite what Donald Trump says.  The Donald may know real estate but he's also sitting on a few real estate developments and doesn't want to be stuck with any leftover inventory. What do you expect him to say, "Hold off on that purchase for a year, and come back and buy a condo when we're literally giving them away"?  In fact if you Google "Trump time to buy" you will find that he made that same statement in January of this year and also October of last and probably on numerous other occasions as well.

2)      I don't believe that this is just a "mortgage mess" caused by a meltdown in the subprime mortgage industry.  That is certainly part of the problem but it ignores  the fact that the problem affects the real estate industry as a whole, caused in part by real estate agents who helped drive up the price of homes because they thought that prices would continue to skyrocket forever, leading to a bubble that eventually burst.

3)      I'm not in favor of Down Payment Assistance programs, and see no reason why someone shouldn't simply wait to buy a home and save for their own down payment.  In fact I would argue that some people who used DPA's in the last couple years may have been better off had they waited to buy, despite the grant.

4)      I don't see what the big deal is about mortgage brokers disclosing the Yield Spread.  Banks aren't required to do so and neither does anyone else.  Think there is no yield spread in other industries?  I dare say you are wrong.  Yield spread is simply the difference between the wholesale price (what the lender charges) and the retail price (what the broker charges).  Would you ask the grocer who charges $2.49 for a loaf of bread what his wholesale cost is in order to determine if you got a fair price? (Ok, I will admit that some loan officers abuse this concept but you get my point).

5)      I don't think everyone is necessarily destined to be a homeowner. Some people can and should renters.

Yes, I am aware that most of these opinions are contradictory to the typical industry perspective, which tends to lean toward any opinion that helps to sell more houses, or close more loans is good and any opinion that may affect my paycheck is bad.  That's ok.  I subscribe to the philosophy that the world is much bigger than me.  I'm also aware that this post is similar to committing social suicide much like showing up for the first day of school wearing the wrong outfit, admitting that you have a crush on the head cheerleader and resident Mean Girl's boyfriend, or joining the AV club.  That's ok too.  I've watched enough cliché movies to know, that in the end the popular crowd is always defeated, the uncool, unknown misfit always triumphs, and everyone learns a valuable lesson along the way.

 

 
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93 Comments on ActiveRain High – Why I’ll Never be one of the Popular Kids

Keep your blogs short and to the point.  The bottom line is do what is comfortable and enjoyable for you.  Your friends and collegues will make you a success, not blogging, internet leads, ads, etc.... That is mere gravy.   From $51mm of business, 73% comes from known contacts.  Makes you rethink advertising, ehhh?  The bottom line is profit, not revenue......

Just ask your friends for help.....they will.

08/24/2008 07:21 PM by Tim Moncrief (Keller Williams Realty (Bartlett Real Estate Group))


I will only delete comments in extreme cases, if I feel they are offensive or are trying to hijack my blog.  I can only think of three or four times I did that in over 600 blog posts and thousands of comments.

I did learn one thing here.  If you want to get negative comments, just write about ethics or professional standards.  That will bring out the real nuts.

 

Good Luck and Good Blogging!

08/24/2008 07:38 PM by Randy L. Prothero - Hawaii REALTOR® (Century 21 Liberty Homes)


Michelle - that's kind of how it works in life, some people can take criticism, others want only "YES" men/women.

I only partially agree with your point #1, in some areas, now is certainly a good time to buy.

I agree that Realtors were part of the problem, both now and in the last "crash" in the early 90's.

I don't see a problem with DPA on qualified applicants. After all, VA loans require no down payment, neither do Rural Development. I have used VA loans 3 times and have never missed a payment and each has been paid off.

I agree with points 4 & 5

 

 

08/24/2008 07:42 PM by Mike Saunders (Keller Williams Realty - Greater Athens)


Michelle - I think challenging the status quo is always a good thing and I would think going against the grain will stir up more interest and more comments so just keep doing what you are doing. 

08/24/2008 07:45 PM by Aloysius Donohue - Ridgewood Real Estate (Marron Gildea & Donohue - Ridgewood)


I rarely delete as well, but recently, I had a blog post that several of us really NEEDED to discuss things privately.  I deleted a bunch of comments on that one, from BOTH sides.  Guess it depends.  I'm like you in a way though, I am a big proponent of Reverse Mortgages, but I do get the hair up on my back of my neck when I see wrong things stated - IE: The bank takes the property, RM's cause foreclosures, they cost way too much, etc.  (BTW, on the cost, clearly they have more UPFRONT costs, but if the person/couple plans to live there the rest of their life, the APR can be around 4-6% which is in line or even better than many forward mortgages.  Well, said too much as it is, good blog, take care!

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08/24/2008 08:02 PM by Ronald Gillis, CNSA Southwest Florida Notaries, Port Charlotte, 941-7-NOTARY (Southwest Florida Notaries (Mortgage Notary Signing Agent))


Hi Michelle,

I do agree with you that AR can be a popularity contest and kind of a good ole boys/girls network. I read many a posts that criticize other agents and AR members. I feel we should post positive messages and not be so critical. I also feel that we should all respect everyone's points of view as we all have different opinions about this business. I truly do not care what others think of me. I treat people like I want to be treated and I can sleep at night.

I do feel that this is a great time to buy in my area as the REO's are about half the price as when the sellers purchased and interest is still at a all time low. I do feel sorry  for all those sellers who lost their homes and I wish more lenders would have helped them to keep their properties.

Thanks for your post!  I am one who is on your side!  We all have the right to our opinions without being penalized or criticized!!   Jean in CA.

08/24/2008 08:08 PM by Jean Powers CRS,PMN,ASP Broker, Northern California (Kane & Associates)


Michelle, just a thought here - and understand I never saw the blog that you are referring to, or even know who you are talking about - BUT, maybe you used words or wording they felt you attacked them or their position, rather than just a dissenting position?!?!  Not sure, but if it was perceived that way, maybe that is why they were upset, possibly anyway...

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08/24/2008 08:14 PM by Ronald Gillis, CNSA Southwest Florida Notaries, Port Charlotte, 941-7-NOTARY (Southwest Florida Notaries (Mortgage Notary Signing Agent))


Michelle, Wonderful post.

One of my favorite movies is "Revenge of the Nerds"

I guess most people look at ActiveRain as a PR site for the real estate industry and themselves.  My problem is that I always forget that.  I kind of thought it was a neat place to have good discussions about all things real estate related.  Those two ways of looking at ActiveRain don't mix very well.  If your purpose is to promote yourself and real estate, I guess you don't want much dissenting opinions in your comments.  If you want a good discussion, you really need someone taking the opposite side or else it gets really boring.

ActiveRain is a reflection of the real world.  I accept it and blog on.  

08/24/2008 08:29 PM by Tim Maitski~editor of MaitskiREport.com (HomeAtlanta.com)


I am searching high and low on this blog with something I don't agree with.  Here's the deal:

1) You just called Trump out?  Shame on you for being savvy and smart.  He's pretty savvy and smart as well, but he has a business to run.  Money seems to guide us to its glorious valleys, whether or not it's the honest to God truth of the matter.  Opinions seem to change when dollar signs grow near...

2)  Plenty of blame and fingers pointing... and when fingers point everybody ducks.  Personally, and I've only been in the game 7 years, I think the blame is game that you learn from and never go back too.  History repeats itself, learn and move beyond.  Subprime is the focal point?  Just wait... in 2 years I'll give ya ring on what's going on in the FHA right now.

3)  DPA'S.... damn!  Hate to say write it but I agree again.  I'll reserve the specifics for another time, as I'm kind of bent emotionally.  I want to introduce you to a few folks, one of which is a phenomenal resource in lending and knowledge.  The other, happens to be the owner of the company I work with.

4)  YSP.... you said it well, better than most. 

5)  Wow, we really do need to talk.  For better or worse, our philosophies are more alike than they are different.

And as far as high school, as I let you know, I'm not game with that crap.  I don't buy into the Wonderful Wizard of Oz ... you're well read so anything you say must be true.  Crap, that's what that is.  I learn from being wrong sometimes and I've very open to civil discourse to get to the root.

I gotta say, this won't come off as articulate as I want it too, my mind is in a different place right now.  Simply know this, Michelle, I want to learn and evolve... and unfortunatley that means being wrong once in awhile.  I'm okay with that.

 

08/24/2008 08:31 PM by Jason Sardi, Pennsylvania Mortgage Broker (First Choice Equity Group Inc.)


Randy, I wrote about fiduciary responsibility of the Realtor and staging.   Almost no comments.!!

I believe many of the foreclosures in Michigan are related to the economy.   Many are because the housing values were going up at 15+% a year.  Home owners were re-fi ing (sp) their homes and pulling out equity for their toys.    Boats, Big Screen, 4 wheelers and snow mobiles.  They ran up credit cards and paid them off with their homes equity.

Did they throw away the cards after paying them off????????  No way.  They ran them up again.

Then the house of cards came tumbling down.

 

 

08/24/2008 08:42 PM by Virginia Tatseos Stage-Show-Sell (Stage-Show-Sell)


 

Michelle, In every community there are those who challenge the rules of the book and those who follow the guidelines. If you try to rock the boat I am sure there are many members of the community who would back you up, but it is up to each individual member and not the whole community. Our own society outside of Active Rain resembles high school (just look a little deeper and harder). It’s up to YOU to decide if you want to be stuck in the same spot all your life or become an individual.

 

08/24/2008 09:59 PM by Camarillo CA Real Estate Agent/ Mana Tulberg (Beach View Real Estate)


I disagree!  In fact, I dispute the premise of this post.

I post content, controversial content, unpopular content and many comments in disagreement with the writer's post.

We discuss.  We engage in a conversation.  I learn some things.  Others learn some things. 

However, about 999 out of 1,000 times, we part friends and may agree to disagree.  From time to time, I'll write, "I was wrong".  From time to time, we engage a bad sport who has to whine to the management.  Who cares?

Unpopular posts and comments are and have always been a part of ActiveRain.  We learn from each other.

 

08/25/2008 02:36 PM by Lenn Harley Homefinders.com MD & VA Real Estate


The world is made of of all sorts of people. is now a great time to buy? It depends on if you're the buyer or seller. It also depends on what and where you're buying. I don't always agree with what the poster is saying- and at times if I feel strongly about the subject, I will comment to the contrary.

08/25/2008 02:36 PM by Mott Kornicki • Real Estate In Miami (SIB REALTY, LLC)


I was not very popular either, I speak my mind and well it has gotten me into a lot of trouble.

keep the chin up and there is more than one way to skin a cat

08/25/2008 02:38 PM by Dave Woodson (Indigo Financial Group Inc.)


I'm glad you've expressed your opinion. All opinions are valid, we are all individuals. I don't think everyone tries to follow the crowd, at least I haven't noticed that in the past year and a half that I've been blogging. Some are always going to follow, others will lead. To each his or her own and just write what you want to write.

08/25/2008 02:45 PM by Kelly Sibilsky (Licensed Through Professional Referrals, Inc.)


Clicks are always a part of every group and Active Rain has a few, too.  But just keep at it and build your network.

08/25/2008 02:47 PM by Jane Page Thompson (The Carolina Real Estate Company)


I  am definitely one with my own opinions, and have no plans on ever being the prom queen of AR.  ;)

I do believe those of us on AR are fish in a barrel for advertisers. 

Perhaps it may be a good thing to start a group, call it "Uncensored" ---  A community of those who speak with their mind, (within reason, of course). 

08/25/2008 02:56 PM by Ruthman Real Estate (Ruthman Real Estate)


Everyone will never always agree on AR.  It's really a place that offers way more positives than negatives.  I didn't see your post but perhaps it triggered an issue when you linked back to the other poster?  Just my 2 cents worth.

Don't even spend 2 minutes thinking that AR is a popularity contest.  I dont' see it that way at all.  I'm surely not one in the inner circle here but I know what my goals are and will stick to them.

Peace and Blessings to you.

08/25/2008 03:00 PM by Diane Bell, Hilton Head Real Estate, Bluffton (Charter 1 Real Estate, Hilton Head, Bluffton, SC)


Michelle, I have always danced to the beat of a different drummer. I too have been deleted, not only in the comment section but in a group as well. But when I read the posts of the "shining stars", they are way off base but are permitted to stay.

Can't please everyone...just please yourself.

08/25/2008 03:08 PM by Nancy Larson (M & T Bank)


Michelle, I never have a problem with a dissenting opinion.  In fact dissenting opinions are welcomed both online and off.  It's the way that the two disagreeing parties handle themselves that show their true character.

Active Rain like high school?  Maybe in some corners, but I try to ignore most of the jockeying for popularity and just continue to write mostly to the consumers who yearn for information about the housing market and how the homebuying or home selling process works.

08/25/2008 03:11 PM by Brian Block -- Northern Virginia & D.C. Real Estate (RE/MAX Allegiance)


It seems part of the natural order of things that groups of people sort themselves into cliques.  I'm sure it's that way in the animal kingdom too.  I know what you are talking about and I think you need to forge ahead in talking about ideas.  Whether it's popular or unpopular, posts and comments should strive to be professional, to-the-point, and focused on a the concept in discussion and not on personalities.  Some will choose to acknowlege you and others will not, and that's okay too.  This site is for sharing, discussing and debating what drives this industry.  Keep contributing for the good of the whole community Michelle.

08/25/2008 03:56 PM by Catherine S. Read (Creative Read, Inc.)


A great man once said, " I may not always agree with what you say. But I'll defend with all my might your right to say it." Well done Michelle! We are a ton closer in opinion and operational ideals than you may think. Anyway, I kinda like fightin with you! Dang if I can find anything on here I disagree with.....WAIT......nah. Nice job.

08/25/2008 04:16 PM by Scott Geary Pennsylvania Mortgage Broker (First Choice Equity Group Inc)


ActiveRain is all about ME and always has been. The sooner folks "get that" the sooner I can move on to my next field of play :)

08/25/2008 04:19 PM by Bryant Tutas-Tutas Towne Realty, Inc


Great writing. I've always been on the outside looking "in." The "in" crowd isn't always what it's cracked up to be.  

08/25/2008 04:24 PM by Sugar Pine Realty/GMAC


Michelle:

I love what you had to say and how you said it.  I also agree that it takes a lot of "stones" to stand up and take an unpopular opinion.  To go against the flow and not back down from the mob.  The ability to stand up for what is right regardless of what the crowd roars for is admirable. 

You're EXACTLY the type of lender that I would want to put my clients in touch with.  Never change.

BB:

"ActiveRain is all about ME and always has been. The sooner folks "get that" the sooner I can move on to my next field of play :)"


I'm writing you in for president come November.

08/25/2008 04:41 PM by Griffin Georgia Real Estate - Jessica Wynn Horton (Jessica Horton & Assoc.)


"Well behaved women rarely make history"

And I am super proud of my ancestor, Susan B. Anthony.  Do find it hard to keep my mouth shut a lot of the time. 

Never was one of the popular kids, nor will I ever be.

Be careful using those pics - they may be copyrighted.

08/25/2008 05:23 PM by Emily Lowe - Nashville, TN Realtor (Prudential Woodmont Realty)


Michelle, I find discussing differing opinion and open debate healthy even if I don't particpitate and there's plenty of it here. Only a couple of comments? So what. It doesn't mean no one read it, it's not important or didn't cause one to ponder or rethink the subject. In the end... it's just a blog, so ignore the crap and keep doing your thing.

08/25/2008 05:27 PM by Craig W. Barrett - Hughesville MD Real Estate (RE/MAX 100)


I don't think comparing AR to high school is appropriate.  I mean did you join AR to be part of the "popular crowd" or whatever that means?  ugh...I hope not. C'mon have some self esteem, people...

There are bloggers who are good writers who will attract a lot of subscribers as a result.  There are bloggers who have made friends with other bloggers and banter back and forth because they want to.  I don't think calling them a clique because they choose to use AR for the social aspect is fair.  This is a social media platform. 

Maureen McCabe constantly rocks the boat and hasn't suffered any repercussions as a result (not that I am aware of anyway).  Jessica rocks the boat, BB rocks the boat, TLW sinks the boat...I see dissenting opinions all of the time.

The topics of conversation on AR are a true reflection of the real world.  There are those that thrive on conflict, and those that shy away from it.  If people don't want dissenting dialogue on their posts because they want to keep them "happy" they have the right to do that.  It's their content, they can control it. 

One of the hardest things about freedoms is accepting that people have the right to act in a way that you don't like.  Just because YOU think that dissenting opinions should be posted doesn't mean that someone else agrees.  They have THE RIGHT to control their content and their blog.  You control your blog your way, they get to control their blog their way.  Otherwise, it's not really freedom.

08/25/2008 05:28 PM by Melina Tomson, M.S. Salem Oregon Real Estate Specialist (Tomson Burnham, llc)


Michelle-  I really don't think the popularity contest is a problem with dissenting opinions.  With more than 100,000 members, there are a lot of potential blogs to read and not nearly enough time to read them.  As a result, the "known" names get read, more often.  Most of them worked hard to get to that position.  Many were here from the early days of AR.  Others are just prolific writers.  Of course, that makes it harder for the rest of us to make it into the "inner circle."

If you have had a problem with your dissenting opinions being deleted, I would use it as an opportunity to write your own blog, from your point of view.  As for my dissenting opinion, I don't believe you can make a general statement about whether or not it's a good time to buy.  We all know, real estate is local.  In my market, there was no overall, "burst bubble."  Unit sales took a nose dive, but prices did not.  With sellers a bit more negotiable and mortgage rates relatively low, now may be a great time to buy.

08/25/2008 05:39 PM by Marilyn Katz - ABR, e-PRO - WestportCTProperties.com (Prudential Connecticut Realty)


Well looks like you're popular now!  Too bad you were chastized for having an opinion.  It happens... 

 

-<a href="http://www.motorola.com/E8">Motorokr</a>

08/25/2008 05:39 PM by Motorokr


Michelle, I agree in part to your post.  Differing opinions is what makes the world go round.  There is nothing wrong with a "healthy" disagreement at times, and it can be quite enjoyable:)

What I STRONGLY disagree with is this:  How in the world did Realtors drive up the prices of homes? I didn't realize we had such power?  What about the lenders that approved the loans, and secondly, weren't these prices deemed "of value" by an appraiser?  I think that was an irresponsible statement to make. Just for arguments sake, I should could say that the lenders are at fault, for approving buyers that ultimately could NOT afford the reset of the ARM loan they were given. Was that not apparent during the loan application process?  I'd say, yes it was.

08/25/2008 05:46 PM by Huntsville, Alabama Real Estate Agent Elizabeth Ramsey Cooper-Golden (Remax Huntsville/Madison)


OK, it seems I have some comment to catch up on.

Tim M  - I'm not sure if you're saying my blog was too long.  I may have to agree but I had a lot to say.  As far as business coming from friends and colleagues and not internet leads and blogging, different people use different business models but I think Lenn Harley would disagree with you.

Randy - Ethics and professional standards gets negative opinions too?  Maybe I'll have to give that one a try?

Mike - I hate yes men and women.  I welcome opposing points of view because you can always learn something

Aloysius - You are right.  This is the most comments I've ever gotten.

Ronald - You are correct about the way comments are perceived.  Sometimes the commenter means no harm but things often get misinterpreted when you are reading as opposed to saying something.

Jean - Thanks for "being on my side"!  I have no problems with constructive criticism, even in a negative way, but I definitely don't support attacking other members.

Tim Maitski - I agree.  I guess I tend to forget the two sides of AR as well.

OK, this is hard work.  I'll have to come back.

08/25/2008 05:54 PM by Above All Financial Services -Pennsylvania Mortgage Broker


Michelle, I found a couple of new (to me) bloggers by following the links on this post.  People who delete comments from their posts are wusses! (Did I spell that right?)  The only excuse is if a commenter is creepy or scary or gross.  But just disagreeing?  Please!

There is such diversity among the bloggers here on Active Rain.  Some of my favorite bloggers are way opposite of me about everything from politics to marketing strategies, and I love them to bits!  And I love to see comments all over the place come in on my posts.  With a recent one, the comment chain took on a life of its own, and I just decided to let it go wherever!

And thank you for introducing me to Tim Maitsky!  I loved his post!  It was really well written and sure, it was heresy to a lot of real estate people, but he eloquently made his point!  And congrats on the feature!

08/25/2008 05:57 PM by Patricia Kennedy (Evers & Company)


Michelle The down payment assistance program (DPA), should have been called a PDA or public display of affection, it's something I don't want to see, and young people should grow out of. As far as your other thoughts and concerns about other peoples blogs, make whatever comments you want so long as you believe them, and know we are all entitled to our opinions. Steve

08/25/2008 06:02 PM by Steve Loynd, Alpine Lakes Real Estate Inc., Loon Mt, NH.


Michelle, you posted the post that I stopped myself from posting on Saturday.  Here are the three reasons that I stopped myself from posting it...

1.  I don't want to be known as the guy who says the sky is falling...(even when we know it is)

2.  I had to ask myself how it would help the market by posting a blog that says the actual state of the market.

3.  If a senior loan officer for our company showed up in his pajamas at the last company meeting to lighten the mood of the realtors present, I could post a blog about wineries instead of what I was really thinking.

Don't get me wrong, I love the fact that you posted it but I felt like you may have not gone far enough if you are going to be completely honest...You Rock...God Bless...Jason

08/25/2008 06:07 PM by Jason Roebuck (None)


 it is quite interesting how some AR members are attacking your vew points. This is what gets my goat! We should not be attacking each others points of view. Whatever happened to respect? I do not respond to posts in which I do not agree. I believe in responding to posts with a positive attitude. I one cannot say something nice, then do not say anything at all. Happiness and peace to all of us!

08/25/2008 06:32 PM by Jean Powers CRS,PMN,ASP Broker, Northern California (Kane & Associates)


Michelle, just be you, and screw the cheerleader/brownn-oser crowd. They say that social networks inevitably end up resembling real life, i.e. it takes all kinds. But without a bunch of petty moronic comments and blogs, the truly brilliant ones might not stand out. We are emotional beings after all, and connecting to those who like us for who we are certainly makes up for any lack of gold stars (though you got one for this blog:-))

Anyway, if you have something to say that you full-heartedly believe in, by all means say it! You will have an eager audience... Luke-warm content is the death of us in the blogosphere - and it takes having an opinion to win popularity where it matters - with your readers and future clients. They, too, are sick of the bullshit.

Best-

08/25/2008 07:16 PM by Inna Hardison-ha media group Design, Printing, Web (ha media group)


Hi Michelle,

Interesting post.  I do and I don't agree with your views about AR.  I have sometimes myself wondered why some folks have to barely write a word and they are lauded and feted while others may be typing their little hearts out and their only audience seems to be crickets and their cat.  It doesn't seem fair, and it isn't but as my dear departed mom used to remind me on an almost daily basis "Life isn't fair". 

I have been lucky here, and I am well aware of that. I jumped in and wound up making a much larger splash than I anticipated.  I have been welcomed and yes, lauded and feted as well.  Yes, I have been lucky, but I am also a darn good writer and I have to think that plays a part in things as well.  Oh, and I try to be nice.  That doesn't mean that I don't disagree, it just means I try not to be a poo-poo head about it. 

That being said, I have not now nor have I ever felt that sharing a differing opinion in a polite, intelligent and literate manner was a bad thing.  I must confess that I am not familiar with the bulk of your offerings here, however, judging by what you have written above I would venture a guess that when you share your views they fit neatly within that structure.  Yes, there are others who do not agree with what we have to say and there are others who do not like the fact that we say it.  Tough!

As for the deletion of comments, personally, in my time here in the Rain, I have had very little cause to delete either comments or posts.  Yes, I have had comments I made deleted, but it has truly been rare.  And to tell you the truth, I wasn't really all that busted up about it.  They deleted me, I henceforth ignored them and life rolled merrily on. 

There are times when things others say about what you write or about ideas you put forth can take a sudden and violent turn and end up somewhere no one intended and when this occurs then the delete button is a welcome sight, but it is rare, especially, in my experience around here. 

Stick to your guns, shoot from your hip, share what you truly believe the way you want to and your audience and clients will find you.  Thank you for giving so many the chance to air their views and for being so willing to step forward and publicly voice yours.

Take care, help lots of people and have a wonderful day!

Tisza

08/25/2008 07:24 PM by Tisza Major-Posner (I.V.P.G. - Inland Valley Professional Group)


Michelle, I very much enjoyed your blog!

As a fresh immigrant during high school, I had to work to help my parents' business.  I took classes all the way through without lunch so I could get out early & take the bus to work (my parents' business).  Consequently, I missed out on all that high school stuff. 

I am now experiencing the pains of high school through my 15 year old daughter... 

As for AR...  It has been an education, and the "show" is not too shabby, if you know what I mean...  I have enough stress at work, so I keep my posts nice and light.  This is my down time...

Please join our Optimist Group!  I like your style!

 

08/25/2008 07:32 PM by Mirela Monte, Your Myrtle Beach Connection


I obviously missed the previous drama, but good for you for 'having a voice'.

08/25/2008 07:32 PM by Cape Coral Real Estate Broker | Susan Milner | Florida-Future-Realty.com (Florida Future Realty, Inc.)


I am a newbie on AR and I see the click groups!  I do love to read opinions from all members.  Sometimes I agree, sometimes I don't, it is a great learning experience.  I feel like I am a fly on the wall in other peoples offices!  Keep this up, your opinions are appreciated.

08/25/2008 08:12 PM by Anna Davis Little (The Chantel Ray Real Estate Team/Envision 360)


Michelle, I like you! Does anything else really matter? :)

08/25/2008 08:16 PM by Dawn Maloney, ABR (Geneva Chervenic Realty)


Yes there are definite the elite and sometimes you don't want to rock the boat or you are not going to get referrals from them

08/25/2008 08:49 PM by Russ Ravary - Michigan Homes for sale - Michigan Real estate & Mortgage info (Remerica Hometown One)


Not sure I agree w/your attitude.  The majority of americans are skeptical and will appeal to your campaign. On the other hand, this is a great time to buy when the market is saturated w/sellers and few buyers.

It's time to buck the trend.

08/25/2008 09:08 PM by Tracy Santrock-Cary NC Real Estate Blog (Fonville Morisey)


Michelle- I agree that discussion, dissenting viewpoints, questioning, thinking, adding your opinion, going against the grain and all of that is healthy and what makes this world interesting. If we all think the same it would be very boring.

My associates and subscribers all know that I am not politically correct, that I stand up for what I believe and I will state my opinion if I feel it is warranted or I am moved to do so. There are certain thinks in which I am compelled to speak out on, I homeschooled all 6 of my kids so they could learn to think for themselves and not be sheep but rather eagles.

Patricia Kennedy is one of my dearest friends on the rain and she wrote a post that I did not agree with and I added my 2 cents which was not in tune with the other commenters and I was attacked but not by her. She is still my friend and we agree to disagree.

I have left comments on some posts that are people who are not in the know here on the rain and they are the ones who deleted their entire posts because of my dissenting comment. But they are not high pointers or old timers. I have never had a top blogger be the one to delete me.

I agree with some of your points and not others but that is how it should be. Katerina

08/25/2008 09:35 PM by Nestor & Katerina Gasset Realtors® Wellington Florida Luxury Homes (International Properties and Investments, Inc.)


I think it is important to look at different points of view.  I agree with some of the things you stated and disagree with others.  However, I think where people go wrong is attacking the person rather than simply debating the points.  We don't need to attack or belittle someone to express a different point of view.

08/25/2008 10:11 PM by Joan Whitebook, ABR,e-Pro,CEBA Southern New Hampshire (Buyer's Option Realty Services)


Jason - I love how you and Scott both are trying so hard to disagree with me.  As far as Trump, tell him to stop by and comment, and we'll debate it out here.

Virginia - I fully support staging, yet I understand that some agents don't think its necessary. As far as credit cards/refi's/foreclosures. You're probably right.  To some that't the American way.

Mana - You are right about society resembling high school, I've left that thinking behind along time ago, but in some circles its alive and well.

Lenn - I disagree with your disagreement but I guess we each have our own experience here.

 Mott - I almost wrote the same thing.  It's always a great time to buy (for somebody).

Dave - If you say you were unpopular and you speak your mind, I just may have to ...check out your blog.

 

08/25/2008 10:14 PM by Above All Financial Services -Pennsylvania Mortgage Broker


You know what some folks sat about opinions....from my perspective...everone is entitled...how dull it would be if we all agreed all the time...I disagree with some of your position and agree with other parts....it is what makes the world go round ....

08/25/2008 10:34 PM by Sally & David Hanson Realtors WI Residential-Commercial-Short Sale (First Weber Group)


Michelle

I applaud anyone who has the courage to speak their truth at any cost. While I neither agree nor disagree with anything you have said - I am curious to learn more about how you believe the real estate industry as a whole, caused in part by real estate agents who helped drive up the price of homes because they thought that prices would continue to skyrocket forever, leading to a bubble that eventually burst.  This is not intended to be a challenging question - I simply want to understand the perspective better. Thanks!

08/25/2008 10:56 PM by Kathleen Daniels (San Jose ~ Silicon Valley Real Estate )


It is an unusual but common experience on group blogging sites that those with dissenting opinions will frequently get their heads ripped off by someone, usually a "higher up" in the food chain person. I had this experience myself in a blog group that I contribute to and what was funny is that the person who started the site specifically had asked me to join because of my opinions and my ability and willingness to speak something different than the rest of the crowd, particularly, different than the other agents.

It takes a resolute and informed person to pull this off as you will be called upon to defend yourself.

Good for you that you decided to write about this topic on AR.  I've had several posts on this other site where I bring up industry professionalism, call out ridiculous selling practices, comment on ethics issues and more.  I wish we could all do a little more of this - our profession could certainly benefit from it.

All the best to you!

08/25/2008 10:57 PM by Reba Haas (Team Reba)


the funny thing is that most of those people you talk about probably were not the cool kids in High school but now they have finally found a way to be that person.

I know we see a lot of the same people featured all of the time, to be honest I don't have the time to write those kinds of posts.

Maybe some day after my toddlers grow up I will have more time to get into the cool kids blogging club.

08/25/2008 11:08 PM by Overland Park Homes & Real Estate:: Michael Russell (Overland Park KS Realty Executives )


There is always pressure to conform to the status quo of a particular community. This is why I always found psychology and sociology fascinating. There are written and unwritten rules, and ways of enforcing those rules through social dictums. You are very smart to notice this and to speak up. Most people are of the "nice blog" school of thought - not too deep thinking and it seems to offend them when other people don't play their game, whatever it is at the moment.

I think one telling thing about you is that your highest principle isn't making money . . . at least you indicated that in your blog. I think people who have true integrity speak up no matter what the cost.

Now for your points . . . I didn't get how you think Realtors drove up prices . . . maybe that was just deflecting the blame from the mortgage industry. Like someone else said, how did Realtors get that particular power?

08/25/2008 11:10 PM by Deborah Ryman, Realtor Beach Properties Santa Cruz County Vacation Homes (American Dream Realty, Santa Cruz, Capitola)


Michelle, nice post. Well said and well written. It was a pleasure to read. You have a long blogging career ahead of you. btw ... the meaning of cool ....not so hot.

08/25/2008 11:14 PM by Sharon Young REALTOR® Bonita Springs, Fl (Keller Williams Elite Realty, Bonita Springs Florida)


Hi Michelle...I only recall deleting one comment and that was someone that really did not comment on my post but put an advertisement there instead.  I think I've only been had one post deleted from a group.  I received a notice about it and when I re-read the guidelines it made perfect sense.  The group had gotten a mix of posts and the moderators were trying to tighten it up again.

Let's see.  I wish I had more money right now to buy more property.  That's my take on my market.

Most people on the Rain have been pretty good about reciprocity.  At least that has been my experience.  Some people comment on most of my posts for a while and then move on while others stay and new ones arrive to comment.

I try to comment on those that comment on my posts.  I am not doing as well on that score as I would like to because of lack of time.

Many of the folks I subscribe to are pretty prolific writers but they are good ones.  For the most part, these members have earned their followings.  They teach me so much I don't care if they do or do not read my posts. 

There isn't a soul on here that intimidates me so I agree or disagree depending on what I think.

My final statement:  Be careful what you ask for, it's great to receive lots of comments but it is hard to respond to all of them.  I liked reading your comment where you are alluding to that. Worth it though.

Congratulations on the feature. 

Kate

08/25/2008 11:18 PM by Kathleen "Kate" Elim LAKE ANNA, VA Real Estate (RE/MAX Lake & Country)