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Suicide and Depression - Something we really DO need to talk about

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Real Estate Broker/Owner with Austin Texas Homes, LLC 453249

I received an email from our church on Thursday around lunchtime, informing me that a friend of mine had died on Wednesday afternoon.  My jaw dropped.  What?!?  He and I are about the same age!  What could have happened?  The email didn't give any clues.  He was overweight - heart attack?  Car accident?

I spoke with a couple of mutual friends who had already heard about it Wednesday evening, since they are closer to the family, but they also didn't know the cause of death.

On Thursday, a new email was sent, revealing that the cause of death was "severe depression".  Clearly, this was a euphemism for suicide.  But I spoke to him on Sunday!  I had no inkling that he was depressed.  That big, social guy?  The guy who was so good at making others feel welcome.  No way!  As one who has gone through a few severe bouts of depression myself over the years, including being hospitalized when I was a teenager for this, I am generally pretty good at reading others. 

My mind raced.  I wish I had known.  I could have said something to prevent it.  I can relate to this type of mental pain.  I could have said the magic phrase that would have assuaged his anguish.  I could have taken him to lunch and talked it out.

Then, suddenly, later, I feel angry with him.  Why would he do this to his family?  He was married (happily it seemed) with two small sons, one of them 4 years old and the other one about 18 months.  Now they have to grow up without a dad.  And what a loving dad he was - he truly enjoyed his children, that much was obvious to any casual observer.  In fact, I admired his parenting skills.  If you read my blog very often, you know that I am in love with my three children, so this is a high compliment: he was a great father.

What was he thinking? 

Well, that's just it.  We don't know now.  Since he didn't show sufficiently alarming signs that he was considering killing himself, he is gone.  He was apparently in counseling, and he was meeting regularly with someone one-on-one who was helping him to work through his feelings, but this proved to be insufficient to prevent this tragedy.

My friend was recently laid off and lost his job, and that could have been enough to make him kill himself.  It could have been something even more minor, though.  This is often referred to as the "501st pound", meaning that you can carry 500, but that last thing is simply too much.  Whatever the case, he was clearly in a very dark place where he couldn't see any light at the end of the proverbial tunnel.

As one who has talked two friends out of committing suicide (one of them multiple times), I know that many times suicide prevention is really about being a willing listener.  It may mean investing a few hours, but it really doesn't take as much as you might think to keep someone from dying IF THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT IT.  The key in my friend's case was that he didn't reveal the depths of his despair.

If you have anyone in your life who has a history of depression or who is going through some tough life issues, why not reach out to him/her and see how things are going?  Often it is the small gestures that make a big difference in helping someone to turn the corner.  It may sound trite, but it is absolutely true.  You might be surprised at the response you get.  Believe me - it is better to make someone a little irritated by your concern that to lose them to suicide.

Everyone who knew him was affected in some way, especially since he chose to cut himself down in the prime of life.  His funeral was Saturday, and the church was completely packed.  His wife wrote an eloquent letter to all of us asking for us not to be angry at him, and that he had made a terrible mistake.  She asked for forgiveness for him from his friends and family, as she had forgiven him.  She also went on to say that she felt that somehow God would bring about good from this tragic event, although it was hard for her to see that in the short-term.  I was impressed by her faith, since this was 72 hours after he died.

My mother, who runs the Suicide and Crisis Center in Dallas, has been a great help for me over the past few days, and she has some friends here in the Austin area who will likely be called upon to provide additional counseling and resources in the upcoming months. 

A group of people from our church is trying to assess how to best provide support for my friend's wife and their little boys.  Some of the men also want to provide a stable male influence for these kids as they grow up.  I hope I can do this for them, too.  I think this is our responsibility now. 

In a sense, all of us who knew him, even on a surface level, are now "survivors" of this act.  Here is a terrific link to a brief piece written by Norman Vincent Peale on the topic of suicide:

When Someone Takes His Own Life

If you or anyone you know is currently (or ever) struggling with severe depression, here is a phone number and a website that could help:

1-800-273-TALK (8255) - this is a national suicide hotline

http://www.suicidepreventionlifeline.org/

Also, I know this might sound like I am opening myself up too much here, but if you EVER want to talk to ME about anything, my cell phone number is 512-796-7653.  My schedule is generally flexible enough that I can make time to talk.

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Comments(104)

Vanessa Stalets
RE/MAX Elite - Brentwood, TN
REALTOR, Brentwood TN Homes, Real Estate

Jason- I am sorry for those left behind, and sorry for your friend who could not see any other way. I have a slight different take on the whole talking them down thing. I have talked my own sister down a multitude of times, and tried to save my Mother just as much, my Father too when he was alive..What I can tell you is that in the long run the choice is up to only one; the person choosing to live or die. I can end up with my life over taken, being the stand in "therapist" for everyone else and becoming depleted and depressed myslef. Tehre is a line there to be careful of, one must also take care of ones own self. Just my humble opinion....I love how generous your heart is, I am not saying to be different, just a caution...

May 10, 2008 12:48 AM
Jen Romiti
Altera Signature Properties - Pleasant Hill, CA
QSC, ABR - Pleasant Hill, CA, Contra Costa County Realtor

Jason, 

This is hard to read for me.  I just logged on to try to blog and maybe get some of what I am feeling off my mind.  My mother committed suicide on April 29th.  I spent last week with my family in Burbank, just trying to understand.  To go through her room and clean things up for my dad.  We never found and notes or anything to explain why she did this now.  I know she has struggled for years with Alcoholism and addiction to prescription medication and I tried to reach out to her to help.  I just have to guess that with everything she was feeling and dealing with she just didn't want to do it anymore. 

I know the feelings you mentioned...because, first I was in shock and sad; then I was mad and now it's day by day.  Some days I feel grief and other days, I am ok.  Now it's Mother's day weekend and I am trying not to let it ruin the weekend for my kids.  They deserve to have their Mom with them in more than just body.  I am trying to suck it up and just be thankful that God gave me the Mother he did.  To praise him for all her good traits and all her faults too.  All the things I have been through with her are a lesson to me.  I need to always strive to be the best Mother I can be to the children God blessed me with. 

I vow to never put them through what I am going through.

Thanks for writing this blog.

Jen

May 10, 2008 03:26 AM
Jen Romiti
Altera Signature Properties - Pleasant Hill, CA
QSC, ABR - Pleasant Hill, CA, Contra Costa County Realtor

You know, as I am thinking about this blog more Jason, I believe that God actually has brought me to it and it is something I really needed to see.  I haven't been on Active Rain in months...but TODAY, I logged on and went straight into the Family Ties group and there your blog was.

God is powerful!

Hugs,

Jen

May 10, 2008 03:32 AM
Endea Thibodeaux
Lanham, MD
Solar Energy Consultant, CDPE, CLHMS

Sorry for the loss of your friend. 

We need to continue to pray for our troops as this is a very big problem the military is having right now.

May 12, 2008 01:01 PM
Cheri Smith
Prudential Gary Greene, Cypress TX - Cypress, TX
Realtor Prudential Gary Greene

I'm sorry for your loss Jason. I'm sorry he became desperate too. We've lost friends the same way.

May 12, 2008 01:03 PM
Kim Martinez
Advantage Homes - Santa Barbara, CA
Santa Barbara Real Estate Specialist

Hello Jason,

I understand your confusion, anger and desperation to try to keep everyone aware that somone else might be suffering.  It is, after all, our calling...for all of us.  We are to be our brithers' keepers.  We are also called to be transparent and it's so sad that your friend didn't take that to heart.  Somehow, Satan has convinced us that we need to "appear" joyful...then he proceeds to rob us of our joy.  It seems to be that it is always easier to "believe the bad stuff" our mind chatters to us but we discount the "good stuff" that our mind chatters to us as "unuseable" and "without value."  That may be one of Satan's greatest tricks...to convince our minds that the bad stuff is more relavent. 

My son has studied neurology for many years and it's difficult to reprogram the brain to accept the good too...it can, however be done.  So we need to look at this spiritually and physically.   I'm afraid most of us are ill equipped to do much but, we can listen!  We can be available!  We can pray together! and we can pray in groups and pray over people...for as long as it takes.  The very least they will know is that they are important and valuable to us.

Suicide is not something I can fathom, personally.  I can't imagine that kind of dispair and I have been through some realy rough stuff.   I just never felt like God's hand wasn't in it...whatever the "problem" was.   I have been blessed to feel the problems as "learning paths."  Some really really painful paths with some serious loss on those roads.  But I always knew, like I knew the sun would rise in the morning, that there would be something for me that was better on the other side of the road I was on.

I don't believe that dispair, even to suicide is an unpardonable sin.  Our God is merciful and He understands our brokenness and pain.   If your friend truely knew Christ, he is with Him right now.  There is no scripture that condems someone in this event...not after Christ's death and resurection.

May 12, 2008 06:02 PM
Cheryl Brewer
Mike Bowman - Grapevine, TX
Selling Homes since 1997

Last year, a guy in my group that I had known for years, JIM MORRIS  took his own life.  He had two college aged children.  He had been married since high school. He was always positive and he went to church regularly.  No one could believe it.  We were all devastated and I prayed about it and my answer was he felt worthless.  I wish I could tell him how much we think about him and he was not worthless.  You never get that chance.

 

May 12, 2008 07:06 PM
Anonymous
John Hurbon
Important blog. A heavy metal Christian band called "Skillet" has help table for teenagers battling with depression/death issues. Skillet reaches the unreachable with life-saving music and with God's power to help people realize their amazing value to eachother and their world.
May 17, 2008 03:42 AM
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Leslie Stewart
Oregon Licensed Broker with Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices Real Estate Professionals - Stayton, OR
Realtor, ABR, CRS, Oregon Licensed Broker

What a sad story.  It sounds like you have a plan and you will be able to help the family.  The one's left behind, left to try to figure out  "why?" are always the hardest hit.  I wish you and the family strength during this trying time.

May 21, 2008 06:06 PM
Michelle Hall
Century 21 Hecht - Denver, NC

Jason, my mother is bi-polar.  Growing up was very hard.  One day when I was at school she attempted suicide.  she felt I would be better off without her.  She called my godmother to tell her to take care of me, but my godmother knew something was wrong and sent an ambulance to my mom.  Her stomach was pumped.  Growing up she was in and out of hospitals.  She grew up in a home where her parents constantly called her stupid and worthless.  She literally felt that she was a waste, a nothing, and worth more dead.  She is doing much better these days, but is still bi-polar.  I have never, and will never know who she really is because of all the medication she had to be on.  SHe needs a pill to wake up, to go to sleep, one for anxiety, one for depression and the list goes on and on.  I was angry with her growing up.  I felt that she did not cherish me and would rather be away from me.  I thought she was selfish, but I also know that in her warped way of thinking she thought she was doing something good for me.  It is something that will never fully be understood and it takes something so small to set it off. 

May 25, 2008 11:05 AM
Julie Chapman
Julie Chapman Broker - Ormond Beach, FL
Daytona Beach Shores, Florida

Jason,

Depression and other anxiety disorder are very prevalent among "successful" and "influential" people......it can happen to any of us and we should watch for signs in ourselves as well as signs of depression in others.  I am truly sorry for your loss....l

May 28, 2008 12:27 PM
Jason Crouch
Austin Texas Homes, LLC - Austin, TX
Broker - Austin Texas Real Estate (512-796-7653)

I am going to attempt to respond to the remainder of the comments here on this post, since it is one of the most important ones that I have ever written, in my opinion.  I wasn't really expecting this number of comments, so please bear with me.  I also realize it has been awhile since I got sidetracked and stopped responding on this one.

May 29, 2008 08:42 AM
Kat DeLong
Realty ONE Group Mountain Desert - Prescott, AZ
REALTOR

Jason, I am SO sorry to hear about your friend....   I KNOW all to well about depression and what it can do to ANYONE.  Depression knows no color, race, gender, age. Sad...sad...sad...

 

May 29, 2008 08:53 AM
Jason Crouch
Austin Texas Homes, LLC - Austin, TX
Broker - Austin Texas Real Estate (512-796-7653)

MELODY - I did not blame myself, but I do wish I had known how deeply depressed he truly was.  Having experienced this personally several times, I think I could have helped, but it might have only been a temporary fix, as you indicated.

SANDRA - You make a solid point.  Often, those who go through with it don't bother to tell anyone that they are even considering it.

JOSHUA - Thanks for your comments.  I am sure you have seen your share of depression in the military.  I saw my friend's wife in church a couple of times, and she seems to be coping remarkably well, at least on the outside.  I hope to be able to have some measure of positive influence on her sons.

JIM - That would devastate anyone.  Thanks for your insight - I agree that true peace only comes from God.  Without Him, it is pretty much impossible to have true contentment in my opinion.

MARC - I think that depression is much more prevalent than some people realize.  With the economy in the tank, and recession occuring throughout much of the country, this is no surprise.  After all, they didn't call it the Great Depression in the 1930's for nothing!

FRAN - This is a wise prayer and you are probably right on the money.

LANITA - This is a great point, and that is how I felt when I was truly chemically depressed as well.  Thanks for your input!

May 29, 2008 08:56 AM
Jason Crouch
Austin Texas Homes, LLC - Austin, TX
Broker - Austin Texas Real Estate (512-796-7653)

TIFFANY - That is my hope as well.  Depression is nothing to be ashamed of.  I was hospitalized for this when I was a teenager, and it is one of the best things that ever happened to me, because I learned how to better express my feelings without stuffing them inside.

ANDREA - I don't know much about the counseling that he received for his depression, but apparently his wife thought that they were beyond the worst of it before this happened.  Thanks for bringing your perspective and input!

LINDA - I appreciate your remarks.  By the way, "It's a Wonderful Life" is my all-time favorite movie.  Thanks for commenting -

ROBERT - You are absolutely correct.  There is a stigma attached to depression and to mental illness in general.  I have been through the hospitalization as well (more than once), so I am intimately familiar with the dynamics at play.  Thanks so much for your courageous comments.  God bless you.

HOPE - I wasn't really expecting to write it, either, but I thought it might help someone.

JAMES - I just hope that my offer is taken seriously if someone happens to need someone to talk to.  Thanks for your comments.

JIM - That is interesting - you are the second person who commented here saying that they were considering writing on this topic.  Thanks for your support!

VIRGINIA - You are correct.  My mom told me that they call it "a permanent solution to a temporary problem". 

KELLY - Agreed, and you're welcome.

TOM - I hope this post can help your friends, along with anyone else who might need to see it.

REBECCA - You are so right.  Depression has a myriad of potential causes, yet it is something that can be conquered with the right support, counseling, and (sometimes) medication. 

SCOTT - To be completely forthright, when I get that call, it is even difficult to muster the energy to listen to my friend, but I do it because I know the alternative.  Thanks for your comments - very insightful.

 

 

May 29, 2008 09:11 AM
Jason Crouch
Austin Texas Homes, LLC - Austin, TX
Broker - Austin Texas Real Estate (512-796-7653)

GARY - I agree wholeheartedly.  I think we should make an effort to be more sincerely interested in those around us.  That might be a good first step.

MARY - I would imagine that this is probably true.  As for his wife, you are absolutely correct.

BARBARA - I truly appreciate your compliments.  They mean a lot to me - I will try to continue to live in this manner.

SUSAN - That is a tough call to make. You would know better than I how to proceed in this case.  I hope and pray that your friend's son gets the help that he desperately needs.

JULIANNA - I can only hope that this will make a difference for someone.  I know that one person has been in contact with my mom (who commented right before you did on this post) because of a lost family member.

SANDRA - It sounds like you have been exposed to more of this than you would care to think about.  My thought was that this was worth writing publicly if it could help even one person out there.

DIANE - Thanks for sharing your very personal story about your daughter.  I am so happy to hear that she is doing well now.  I went through a pretty severe depression when I was a teenager and I made a similar (somewhat half-hearted) attempt. 

DEBI - Thanks for your prayers.  I can understand what your dad experienced.

ELAINE and PAUL - You guys made me blush.  Okay - not really, but it sounded humble, right?

JENNIFER - I have already forgiven him for choosing this path.  However, he wasn't really in the group you described.  This was his first attempt - unfortunately for his family and friends, he was successful.  For the types of people who repeatedly attempt suicide, you may be surprised to hear that I actually agree with you.  It is probably futile to try to "cure" them, because they are so determined to leave this life and the tremendous personal pain that they have endured.  I can respect that level of pain, and I am thankful that I have not experienced it myself.  My depression was much more temporary and transient in nature. 

May 29, 2008 10:48 AM
Allison Levy
NOVA Pros - Fairfax, VA

Jason,

I just came across this story and feel so sad for the situation. 

I have seen what Joshua Schmidt had seen, as I am a military woman, and have seen young men go away to combat, and come back a changed person, most of the time for the worst.  I man who was once loving and kind to everyone, is now secluded and irritable at the smallest of things.

I have been to a class just for Combat Stresses, and now we are not treating this combat depression as a taboo anymore.  We are trying to change the way everyone thinks of this type of "injury."  You cut your thumb, we treat it and care for it.  You see death and killing of innocent people, we will treat it and care for you.  No more hiding these emotions.  But this is hard, as the Soldiers, Sailors, Marines, and Airmen are afraid that they will be kicked out of the military.  Not the case in these times.  We (the medical and chaplain community) are working hard to let them know we truly care and want to help.

This help is what we are hoping will reduce the suicide rate in the military.

Thank you all for sharing your stories,

Allison

Sep 11, 2008 01:02 AM
Bobby Wallace
Vacant Land Solutions - Charleston, SC
Sell Your Vacant Land The Hassle Free Way!

Jason, as a father who lost a daughter to suicide 3,955 days ago, I learned that when you lose someone close to you; 

(1) Everyone wants to express their sorrow for you..they say that they "know how you feel" but, in most cases they do not; they do not realize that there are no "magic words' that can ease your hurt.

(2) You always wonder if maybe, just maybe, "if I weren't so caught up & busy with my work, bills, problems, etc. was there something that I missed...something that I might have said that could have made a difference?"

(3) Life is short. Make all the memories that you can. If you care for someone, tell them, today, not tomorrow.

Jason, I appreciate you for sharing the story of your friend with me.

Oct 02, 2008 04:56 AM
Sharon Harris
Keller Williams Keystone Realty - Hanover, PA
Realtor

My Mother killed herself 10 years ago. I went through many emotions over the years. Now i am just sad that she that she just gave up. I believe there where many signs in hind sight. She would have loved to see my daughter her granddaughter give birth to her three beautiful children. And my other daughter go off to collage and and thrive!! Deans list ! The weddings, birthdays, holidays, helping my Dad as he was sick for some time.  He needed her as he was dying.What I mean is times get tough but hang in. Things will get better and God can be with you and help you ! Sorry you must have hit a nerve.

Oct 04, 2008 12:55 AM
Nelson Carrillo
Real Estate eBroker, Inc. - Phone: (619) 940-6560 - Bonita, CA
South San Diego, CA Homes For Sale

We must sharpen one another as iron sharpens iron.  We are called to help, encourage, confess, and pray with one another. But even doing so, you never know how sincere and open to confess the other person is.  I helped this troubled college kid understand the bible.  I encouraged him to use his faith and strength to kick the habit of using drugs. He also got outside help. I thought everything was fine he had been clean for months, I moved away.  Didnt see him for about 6 months, one evening I saw him at the gas station filling up, as iwas filling my gas tank up as well, we talked.  He said everything was good, very joyful.  Two weeks later, I hear the news that he had hung himself.  To this day, I still dont get it.  He has (or had) an AMAZING family.  It's hard to this day to talk about this since we had become very good friends.  My question now is, how does one know if anyone close to him or her is contemplating committing suicide when no signs of depression are shown? how can you tell? how can you help before the tragedy happens so it wont happen?

Oct 04, 2008 03:51 AM