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Not shocked... but sad. 

Actually, I'm not shocked at all.  And maybe sad isn't the right word... disgusted would be better...

And I really hope the right people find this post... 

A few days ago, I posted a comment on the President's Report blog at the NAR.  The NAR has found this whole social media/blogging thing, and they want to show that they "get it" and are hip to the grooviness.  But they don't, and they aren't.  

Dick Gaylord, President of the NAR posted about an email he received that supportive of the NAR and their "rosey" outlook during this latest housing crisis/bubble/boom/crash/whatever.  It brought out a VERY valid point that the media had been overly sensationalistic and negative.  Each time, the problem was not as deep, long or protracted as the media presented.  Of that point, I am fully supportive... 

Here are a couple of clips from the post:

More often than not, they say we are too positive about the prospects for housing values in the future.

From the email:

The Media’s attack on the real estate industry is nothing new. For decades they have practiced doom and gloom tactics and in some cases have actually caused real estate prices to decline short term. The good news however, is each and every short term decline has been temporary and has been followed by long term price appreciation.

As stated, I agree with the premise of the email... 

(You knew there would have to be a "but" and here is is)

But...  I commented.  And I commented in a manner that some in the NAR might not have appreciated.  I put THEIR comments into perspective.  Here is the entire comment:

But you have to admit that 5 or 6 quarterly reports that say “the worst is behind us” each time… while the market continues to erode is a little tiring.

We all know that the media’s market readers keep preaching that whatever is happening in the short term will last forever.  But the NAR hasn’t been too realistic about the short term.  Instead of telling people that the market looks challenging, the NAR message has been “Prices are up, it’s a great time to buy.” or “Prices are down, it’s a great time to buy.”  The truth is that it is a great time to buy for some people.  It is a lousy time to buy for others.  Consumers should consult with THEIR REALTOR(R) to find out which camp they are in.  

I guess they really didn't like the comment.  As of this evening, that comment hasn't been posted to the blog.  All of that only goes to show something...  The NAR doesn't "get it" and they aren't hip to the grooviness. 

So, I know that most of those that comment here are likely to say that I shouldn't be shocked or surprised.  I know that a lot of us in the industry aren't thrilled with "our" trade organization.  Many of us feel taken for granted, or taken advantage of.  We feel like the NAR thinks we exist for their benefit rather than them existing for ours.  This MLS/domain name issue and the actions of Move, Inc in relation to Realtor.com are two good examples. 

In the case of my less than supportive comment, Dick Gaylord and the others at the NAR wasted a GREAT opportunity.  Instead of censoring the comment and hoping it would go away (76,606 members here... a few will read it, and the comment hasn't gone away), they missed a perfect opportunity to respond.  

That's right... respond!

Had they wanted to show the other members that I was flat out wrong, they could have responded to the criticisms.  It would have gone a lot further with the membership to show that they are open to the dissenting opinion, and can show that they were acting appropriately.  

And finally...  Part of the allure of blogging is its openness.  Transparency.  Honesty.  How open, transparent and honest is it to censor comments?  I understand moderating comments... I killed one today that was spam, and I have dumped comments for language and abusiveness.  But I don't see how my comment could have been classified as any of those. 

The censored it for dissent...

So, NAR... Dick Gaylord... feel free to post up the comment I gave on your blog and answer it.  I'll be happy to say so here... and on the very public post on LaneBailey.com.  Or, if you think the appropriate way to answer criticism is to censor it and ignore it, feel free to let me know why right here. 

Frankly, I don't expect to hear from anyone at the top of the NAR...

 

** Edit.  I had to go back and add the link to Dick Gaylord's blog post. **

We managed to get some kind of response...  Here is the post I wrote about it.  

 

105 Comments on I am very sad to say...

I agree, they should of published your comment you will have to let us know what happens.  NAR is definitely more optimistic than the media but that may not necessarily be a bad thing.

03/09/2008 08:06 PM by Colorado Springs Realty Patricia Beck (Prudential Professional Realtors, GRI)


understand your frustration, but should this be a members only blog?  Just curious.

03/09/2008 08:12 PM by ERA Heavener Realty Co.


I think dinosaurs became extinct because they lost their usefulness for the planet. Although we have the dinosaurs to thank for our fossil fuel today... Maybe NAR will give us energy to go on for years to come, crude as it may be. Thanks for the post.

03/09/2008 08:16 PM by Mara Hawks, REALTOR®, Homes For Sale in Auburn-Opelika, Alabama, AU, Lee County (FIRST REALTY)


this is just another instance in a long line that has me doubting exactly what it is NAR is doing for us. They are allowing non-realtors to post on Realtor.com, it seems like NAR is all about NAR lately and not so much the individual agent

03/09/2008 08:19 PM by Rob Muller - ABR, ASP, RCC, CNHS, LREA Cherokee County Real Estate (ReMax Town & Country)


Amazing, I cannot believe what you wrote here, I back you 100%! At least you are "saying it the way it is." We need support! Not negligence.

03/09/2008 09:02 PM by Karen Monsour,REALTOR® Broward,Palm Beach,Miami/Dade! 954-464-4194 anytime! (Coldwell Banker Fort Lauderdale Beach)


I'm not sure why anyone would think this should be a member's only blog.  Isn't that the exact point that you are trying to make IN the blog.  Can't we talk about the NAR positive or negative in an adult manner?  Good post...I thought it was totally professional.

03/09/2008 09:08 PM by Melina Tomson, M.S. Salem Oregon Real Estate Specialist (Tomson Burnham, llc)


Patricia - It isn't about being optimistic.  It is about being honest.  I think they were trying to convince people everything was ok for their own benefit... not because they thought everything was alright. 

Matthew - No.  I want the NAR to find it.  I would love to have Dick Gaylord or someone else from the NAR come and comment.  I won't cut them off.  If it is Member's Only, it won't be picked up by Google.  And I'm not saying anything I"m embarrassed to say in public.  

Mara - I think that the NAR needs to carefully examine their motives.  Are they representing us?  Or are they representing themselves?

Rob - Yes.  I think that many organizations get taken over by the staff.  I think that the NAR has.  Then it becomes more about maintaining their power and the status quo. 

Karen - Believe it.  I just realized I forgot to post the link to Dick's post.  I will correct that. 

Melina - I agree.  Thank you.  

03/09/2008 09:57 PM by Lane Bailey - REALTOR & Car Guy (Diamond Dwellings Realty)


I am in total agreement on this one, Lane.  I really do hope that NAR redeems itself and that SOMEONE responds to your comments, here or on their blog.   I'll be watching....

By the way, I agree with the comment you left for Dick too. :)

03/10/2008 01:34 AM by Marlene Scheffer, Realtor to Kitsap County, WA (Realty Station)


They don't see the importance and are too slow to react on a lot of fronts. we need to keep prodding them.

03/10/2008 07:21 AM by Terry Westbrook ~ Realtor(R) Grand Rapids Mi Ada/Cascade Real Estate (Five Star Real Estate, LLC Grand Rapids , MI)


I'm sure that NAR has something to do, but other than pay lobbiest to get our elected officials to pay attention to our needs, I'm not sure what they would be.

03/10/2008 07:28 AM by Larry Brewer Nashville real estate (Keller Williams - Franklin tn)


Lane,

I have been disturbed by the NAR's public position for some time. Like you, I work in Georgia and we have been particularly hard hit by the collapse of the market, and when consumers here see the Realtor ads they are not fooled, and we come out looking like desperate salespeople.

Do not be stifled, continue to say what you believe, and let the chips fall where they may!

03/10/2008 07:37 AM by Richard Weisser Coweta Fayette Real Estate ERA United Realty


Marlene - Thanks.  I'm not hopeful. 

Terry - They need to be responsive to the membership.  We shouldn't have to hit people over the head to get them to listen to us.  

Larry - I am the President of a 4wd club.  We have had to go through a lot of changes catching up in the last couple of years.  It hasn't been easy.  The larger associations have been facing the same issues.  But, instead of ignoring the complaints from the membership, we have met them head on and talked about why the changes were needed.  In many cases, our most ardent opponents are now the ones spreading the faith.  After we talked about why some of the changes were needed, they could see it.  In other caes, we have altered the changes we were going to make because we were presented a better idea.  

Ignoring the detractors is ignoring good ideas and turning away those that can help if they are shown the light.  Explain to me why I am wrong and I will champion the cause!

Richard - I don't think we have been hit particularly hard, but we certainly haven't been spared.  But the point is that we can't just hide from the facts and talk about clowns and puppies...  And I am tough to stifle.  I am perfectly willing to be a lightning rod.  

03/10/2008 12:11 PM by Lane Bailey - REALTOR & Car Guy (Diamond Dwellings Realty)


Hey Lane -

At least we know that the censorship extends outside of blogs here in the Rain.  Wait - that isn't a positive.  Hmmm. I can't think of on positive thing from All this except:  keep on fighting the good fight!

~Renae

03/10/2008 02:46 PM by Renae Bolton ~ Marketing 4 Realtors (Marketing 4 Realtors, LLP)


If NAR is actually promoting REALTORS they should be saying that all real estate is local and to get a handle on it speak to a local REALTOR.  Let NAR take the lead on financing reform, affordable housing and health insurance, but don't tell me what's happening in the trenches.  Great post!!  I'd love to know if you get a response.

03/10/2008 05:11 PM by Laura Giannotta Keller Williams Atlantic (Keller Williams Atlantic Shore )


The problem is the self fulfilling prophecy of the media. NAR is a worthless organization that will always give a slant...the media has hurt the very people they say they protect to sell a sensational story about most peoples largest investment...of course they will listen.

03/10/2008 05:15 PM by Team DiMuria, Katy Texas Realtors (Prudential Gary Greene Realtors)


Laura has a great point. It should be like a point-counter point ad campaign to let people know that most areas of the country are NOT tanking. It might help the agents in the hardest hit areas turn public perception around. You know what they say, Perception IS reality.

03/10/2008 05:17 PM by Patrick Johnson (Windermere)


Who are the non-realtors posting on realtor.com?  I must have missed something...

03/10/2008 05:33 PM by Ida McCarthy-Lombard Real Estate


I am not an apologist for anyone, Lane. I was wondering if just your comment was held up or perhaps the tehcnology failed. Now if they posted other comments after you submitted yours ... no good. You're right about the censorship concern.

It seems to me I always get bit by the whole assumption jump-the-shark thing and I'm left with egg on my babyface. .

03/10/2008 05:45 PM by Blogger To Be Named Later


Lane,

This is just another example of how antiquated they are. It's business as usual. Thanks for trying to make a difference. 

03/10/2008 05:51 PM by Susan Peters - Seattle Realtor/Staging Specialist (Re/Max Mutual Realty)


What happened to the days when you could sensor something and it would just go away never to be heard/read/seen again...sigh....tee hee! :)

03/10/2008 06:01 PM by Shannon Lefevre Naples, Florida CRS (John R. Wood REALTORS Inc.)


Your comment was not wasted, nor a surprise to me.  I get the same feeling that I am here as a benefit to NAR, rather than them being here to benefit me.  It is easily the worst trade organizaion I have ever belonged to, and I am sick of them calling me trying to sell stuff.

03/10/2008 06:02 PM by Jason Smith Iowa Hunting Properties and Farm Land (Whitetail Trophy Properties)


Lane -  Sorry to hear that happened.  Too bad they didn't fully research the meaning and use of a blog before they stuck their foot into it.

03/10/2008 06:07 PM by Debbie White (Southeast Alaska Real Estate)


I don't belong to NAR, as I am a lender.... I see so many great new clients that want to buy.... I am very encouraged by the market and don't care what the media says at all....  I can't wait to fund my purchase loans!! 

 

Jennifer Lamm

JenniferLamm.com

03/10/2008 06:12 PM by Jennifer Lamm (The Loan Gallery)


Good on you Lane for trying to set the record straight and make them see the light

03/10/2008 06:17 PM by Michael Eisenberg, Bellingham Realtor (BuyerTours Realty)


Lane

I admire your tenacity.  Keep up the good work.

Ed Ryb

03/10/2008 06:18 PM by Ed Rybczynski (Rybczynski Consulting)


Well it looks like you shook the feathers from the people on high. It's like our government. They think we are here for THEIR benefit and most logical people know it is the other way around.

03/10/2008 06:19 PM by Robert L. Brown~Grand Rapids Real Estate Flexit Realty, West Michigan (www.mrbrownsellsgr.com)


I have been wondering about NAR's peculiar messages.  Just caught a commercial on t.v. the other day.  It had a family pictured by a house, and the message was, "If you are one of the families who purchased a house within the last year, we want to say thank you, you did the right thing, now is the right time to buy".  I am paraphrasing, but it was that message with a few minor word adjustments.  Just so darn strange.  What is the point.  I hope as a consumer I am not that stupid, Am I?  Really?

03/10/2008 06:33 PM by Rebecca Levinson, Real Estate Marketing Consultant (Real Skillz)


Terrific Lane. We write about the media being over the top much of the time, and we have just as much disdain for that as we do for anyone in our profession doing the same thing in reverse. Especially our local competition, and NAR in particular. It's nonsense, and the public knows it too.

Really nice job here

cheers 

03/10/2008 06:56 PM by Gary Bolen (CRS) Lake Tahoe Real Estate Information (Dickson Realty - South Lake Tahoe)


Lane,

 Great post! This deserves to be front and center, not just in the back room of members only. Consumers need to understand that most of us are caring professionals who want to represent the best interests of our clients and not side show barkers trying to get everybody into the see the show. Consumers are the ones that lose when NAR contrives to paint a rosey picture quarter after quarter. This only supports the idea that Realtors are less than professional and we are interchagable with used car salesmen in plaid suits! (My apologies to the used car professionals who simply choose to wear plaid suits - but I needed a visual!)

NAR's message should ONLY be to promote professional Realtors, enhance our knowledge, consumer confidence and act as a voice for the professional members they allegedly represent (for a fee of course!)

03/10/2008 07:04 PM by Marston Myers (Area Pro Realty)


Lane,

I love your post!!!!  Honesty is the best policy but it seems that there is less and less people in our world willing to tell the TRUTH even though it sets them free!!!!!

03/10/2008 07:14 PM by Exit Realty Showcase- Broker & E-Pro


Good post. I remember saying in my earlier posts that for years all we heard was that the market will be strong, I did not hear any warnings, nor did I hear about the dangers of easing up the lending practices. Yes, NAR is at fault for not looking ahead. They were just delivering a cheap sales pitch, which fooled a lot of people.

I remember being worried and I remember how I was carefully reading the Magazine and searched for warning signs, but did not find it. We did not get guidance, the general public did not get guidance. Yes, I think NAR has to apologize to both the members and the nation for misleading.

Why on earth people are bashing the media, when NAR did way more damage that any media could conceivably do? They were the ones who were supposed to yell that it is too good to be true, and tell Realtors to be realistic. They are the ones, who were supposed to tell members that this business is cyclical, and that were were on an uphill swing, and we were approaching the top... but they failed miserably, and failed us, and we failed out customers.

This is unfortunate but this is true

03/10/2008 07:18 PM by


Sorry, that was me. Failed to notice that I was not signed in

03/10/2008 07:26 PM by Jon Zolsky (FunCoast Realty LLC)


To me, a blog is all about discussion and transparency. It should encourage conversation and dialogue. That means including multiple points of view.

03/10/2008 07:32 PM by Sharon Simms St Pete Florida CRS CIPS CLHMS (RE/MAX Metro)


To me, a blog is all about discussion and transparency. It should encourage conversation and dialogue. That means including multiple points of view.

03/10/2008 07:32 PM by Sharon Simms St Pete Florida CRS CIPS CLHMS (RE/MAX Metro)


Laura is right in her suggestion that NAR should be saying "all real estate is local" and referring people to local agents near them.  Censoring unflattering comments is distressing.

03/10/2008 08:17 PM by Margaret Woda, Crofton Maryland Real Estate (Long & Foster REALTORS)


Lane,

 I'm extremely proud of how are community handled this subject.  It's obvious that we can handle this in a professional manner it's unfortunate that one of our voices doesn't feel the same way and prevent you from speaking in a professional manner about a problem their hiding behind.

Keep up the great work!  I'm glad to be apart of such a wonderful group of professionals

03/10/2008 08:19 PM by Green Bay Homes Greg Dallaire (Micoley and Company Realtors)


What are you crazy.  NAR is the orginization that once asked FHA to do 100% loans when banks started to slow down on doing them.  They definitely protect the realtors, but they have to understand they have earn the confidence of the public.  You can't earn us the reputation of being the "slick used car salesmen"  They need  step back and think more carefully about the messages they are sending to the public.  Bottom line they don't get it..

03/10/2008 08:24 PM by Russ Ravary - Michigan Homes for sale - Michigan Real estate & Mortgage info (Remerica Hometown One)


Lane, let's hope they have google alerts for their name so they can read it here. ditto they should have responded.

03/10/2008 08:25 PM by Missy Caulk-Ann Arbor- Realtor(R)- Ann Arbor Real Estate (Keller Williams-Ann Arbor)


Lane....old buddy...old pal....

Don't even get me started.  They have my e-mail on auto-filter straight into the junk/spam folder! =[

I need to write my 2nd campaign speech! ;)

03/10/2008 08:31 PM by Griffin Georgia Real Estate - Jessica Wynn Horton (Jessica Horton & Assoc.)


Just like you I do not expect NAR to respond in any way to anybody that criticises them, they are set in their ways any other different way that might contradict their point of view is to be ignored at all cost.

03/10/2008 08:33 PM by Freddy Solis Bristow, Braemar Realtor (Jobin Realty)


The NAR will learn that you mess with a blogger and it just fans the flames. They don't get it!

03/10/2008 08:41 PM by Tigard Oregon Real Estate >> Wayne B. Pruner, GRI (Oregon First)


I would imagine that they have seen it by now. I doubt there will be a response.

03/10/2008 08:42 PM by Monika McGillicuddy~NH Real Estate Broker (Prudential Verani Realty)


It is amazing how the PR machine works.  Hide the stuff that is contrary to what our own position is.  Contrary points of view is what makes this country great!  I hope they post it, but I'm with everyone else in that they most likely won't.

03/10/2008 08:53 PM by Bill Exeter (1031 Exchange Expert) (Exeter 1031 Exchange Services, LLC)


Just like Washington DC, they spin until it does come to the way they said it would. Problem the facts show it keeps going down so why stick your foot in your mouth! Good post

03/10/2008 08:54 PM by Dick Betts (Dick Betts National Speaker)


Just like Washington DC, they spin until it does come to the way they said it would. Problem the facts show it keeps going down so why stick your foot in your mouth! Good post

03/10/2008 08:54 PM by Dick Betts (Dick Betts National Speaker)


Good for you Lane, I think the NAR does many wonderful things on behalf of it's membership. But when it comes to the message being sent on behalf of those members, it's important to listen to input.

03/10/2008 09:12 PM by Maple Valley WA Broker/Owner Colleen Fischesser 425-432-5400 (RE/MAX Select Real Estate)


Lane, I just think NAR has lost sight of right and wrong, hoping it "will all just go away".  Good for you!

03/10/2008 09:39 PM by Audrey June-Forshey, GRI, Gaithersburg, MD (RE/MAX Realty Group)


Thank you for stating it as it is... sometimes I have to just shake my head when I hear the latest "positive indicator" news. (AND I shake my head at the evening news also -- choice doom and gloom or rose colored glasses.) And as for representing us,well...NAR doesn't really use my voice, I don't know about others.

03/10/2008 09:44 PM by JoEllen Stranger-Thorsen, Lake County, FL (Catherine Hanson Real Estate, Inc.)


It looks like we're all in a pretty high learning curve out here on the blogosphere.  I have appreciated more articles on Web 2.0 & blogging recently by NAR and our state board.  However, your comment was an opportunity to represent their side of the story.  We can't expect people to agree with us all the time, but blogs can provide a unique opportunity to have an informed and intelligent conversation.  This contributes towards the process of understanding even when our viewpoints differ. 

03/10/2008 10:01 PM by Lola Audu~Audu Real Estate~Grand Rapids, MI Real Estate


WE sure are learning how different groups handle different blogs. Why don't they read TIme Magazines article and spread it around about now is a good time to buy and why. Or would that be censored.Amazing..My daughter tells me that even some sites in the internet are being removed due to information that is censored by our Government.  Check out Wikileaks site from wikipedia, see my blog. it was shut down and now up and running after a court ordered it shut down.

03/10/2008 10:04 PM by Mary Thomas PV,Torr,Beach Cities,Pas,Realtor & more* (Torrance, Palos Verdes, Redondo Beach,Pasadena,Arcada & Mon)


I love getting a feature... I keep telling myself that. 

Thank you all for your comments.  I truly appreciate each and every one... agree or disagree.  

Renae - I don't know if it is the good fight, but...  Quieting the voices isn't a valid way to deal with things anymore. 

Rich - You are a Cool Cat, Man...

Laura - The "real estate is local" mantra is starting to pale.  There IS a place for recognition of the national market.  And it should fall to the NAR to speak of that market, as it should fall to the states to talk about their market, and the local associations to talk about theirs.  And the NAR is working on some very good things.  They just need to realize that if people ever believe them again, they have to be HONEST and forthright... not just say whatever it takes to try to get more members and more sales in the short term.  

Team DiMuria - The traditional media is seeing an erosion in their trust with the populace as well.  Hence the rise of FoxNews and the fall of CNN and the networks.  The rise of blogs and the fall of newspapers.  

Patrick - You have the same name as my best friend.  But, I would point out that the majority of local markets aren't doing well.  There are a few standouts, and a few that are seriously tanking, but on the average... the numbers aren't good.  

Ida - I'm not up to date on that, but I would bet that R.com is perfectly willing to collect money from advertisers to enhance listings for non-NAR members.  Remember, the NAR leases out the domain name and they don't run it.  

Andrew - 6 days.  No comments posted, but they are soliciting comments for that post.  Other posts have comments.  All positive.  

Susan - I do think they need to seriously examine the "business" model.  

Shannon - Oh, the good ol' days...

Jason - Just like a union, the "bosses" get too tied up in being power brokers.  Power comes from having members, not always serving them. 

Debbie - They want one way communication... with a little adulation thrown back if possible.

Jennifer - I am right with you.  But it isn't about that.  It's about being honest about the market in general, not about an individual's business result.  

Michael - Farting and hurricanes come to mind.

Ed - Tenacious is another word for butt head that won't let it drop...

Robert - It would take a million hits for this to shake anyone's feathers in Chicago.  The choir already knows the hymns... and the choir is here on A/R.  

Rebecca - The same words naturally flow regardless of the landscape... not a sign of transparency. 

Gary - Thank you.  That is exactly right.  How can we complain about the media being one sided while defending our own trage group being just as partisan.  

Marston - The NAR is going to always be a default base of knowledge for those looking to study the "market".  They just need to be honest and not deliver the same message all of the time... and when the screw the pooch, admit it.  

Jennifer - I appreciate the position the NAR is in.  They are chartered to be a cheerleader.  But, I have seen the most partisan of politicians berate their own party for blowing it.  And I have seen authority increase when admiting a mistake.  

Jon - I think that the media was only doing what they do... sensationalizing the available story.  The NAR could have advised restraint.  But, I will also defend them to the extent that a lot of very smart people didn't really see the bubble ending.  But I think that is more a case of not wanting to see it rather than not being able to see it.  

Sharon - That is straight to the point of the post.  Forget the actions of the NAR during the bubble and crash.  Let's just look at what they are doing right now.  

Margaret - I think that the NAR does have a responsibility to track the "national market" for what it is.  And they also need to remind people when times are good that there are crappy markets, too...

Greg - Thanks.

Russ - The UAW doesn't pretend to look out for car buyers...  Maybe the NAR needs to re-examine its role.

Missy - I would think that SOMEBODY in Chicago knows about this post now, thanks to the feature.  I would guess that next time I go to the convention I won't have state people clapping me on the back and trying to sweet talk me into chairing anything...

The AMAZING Jessica - (can you tell I am a fan of hers?)... Maybe we can have our own ticket...  I will serve as your VP.  

Freddy - I guess they subscribe to the "one way mirror" school of transparency.  

Wayne - I am a fly on the elephant's butt.  At least on this platform, I might infect them with the bite.  

Monika - You are probably right.  However, if they DO show up, I will do everything I can to not let them be attacked for responding.  Disagreed with = ok.  Attacking = bad... 

Bill - I haven't looked tonight.  

Dick - The ol' "even a broken clock is right twice a day" tactic.  

Colleen - I agree.  I think that the NAR could pound out a lot of good with eminent domain protections, small business health insurance, the FairTax (which I haven't seen them take a stance on).  And when it comes to predicting the market, remind the media that the crystal ball is cloudy... and boy have we blown it for the last several quarters...

Audrey - I agree that the want the dissent to just go away...

JoEllen - You are welcome.  

03/10/2008 10:41 PM by Lane Bailey - REALTOR & Car Guy (Diamond Dwellings Realty)


Lane: And I thought I was only one who noticed. I applaud your daring.

03/10/2008 10:44 PM by Matt Grohe CRS, GRI, ABR (Remax Real Estate Concepts)


Great post!  I agree, another blown opportunity from the "Leadership"  When NAR starts censoring the membership, we have problems. 

03/10/2008 10:44 PM by Bob Schenkenberger - Denver Real Estate (Colorado Realty Professionals)


I agree with all you have posted. Thanks for keeping us up to date.

03/10/2008 10:47 PM by Richard Lecinski (Long Realty Company)


Our market isn't doing that badly - but the NAR message is so predictable - "now is a good time to buy" - no matter WHAT and "now is a good time to sell" - no matter WHAT.  Trouble is, they make every Realtor look like they are lying UNLESS we say they shouldn't buy or sell. Markets are  local anyway -so how a national organization can make such blanket statements about what is  a very local issue baffles me.

03/10/2008 11:25 PM by Ruthmarie Hicks (Keller Williams Realty)


OHHHH Don't get me started.  There are a lot of things that NAR does that is not representative of it members or their viewpoints.  I am glad you wrote your comment and exposed the response (or lack thereof) on Active Rain.  A lot of people have criticized their new national add that it is a GREAT time to buy/Sell!  What about the NEW revised Article 12 -- Is this a "true picture"????

03/10/2008 11:32 PM by Joan Whitebook, ABR,e-Pro,CEBA Southern New Hampshire (Buyer's Option Realty Services)


Um, wow, seems like a lot of pent up hostility toward the "head office" out there. Here on the West Coast we don't hear much from NAR although they're pretty concerned about us using that Regristration Mark when we write the word Realtor. That said, I do know their lobbying has kept the banks out of the real estate business and that they do some important things to protect us. I'm always amazed at which blog posts get the most comments. Usually it's when we eat our own. Too bad.

03/10/2008 11:37 PM by Keith Berne, Real Estate Broker, Realtor, GRI (RE/MAX Equity Group, Inc.)


Go Lane!  Raise some #*$^(%.   I'm tired of all the rosy sunshine talk.  The data crunchers predict that we're only HALF WAY through this foreclosure mess!  HALF WAY!  If that's true, the non-sunny days aren't coming to an end for quite some time!

03/10/2008 11:52 PM by John Hokkanen → Encinitas Real Estate (SurfTheTurf.com)


I agree that NAR does a lot as far as lobbying on behalf of Realtors, but I do wish the message was more about looking to your local Realtor for guidance.

03/11/2008 12:00 AM by Sandra Carlisle, Realtor Newport Beach & Corona del Mar (First Team Estates)


Where is NAR and why haven't they responded here yet? Social networking by NAR?  I think not....

03/11/2008 12:22 AM by Marlene Scheffer, Realtor to Kitsap County, WA (Realty Station)


Who were the people who gave these people loans in the first place that caused all the foreclosures.

Maybe the banks need to bite the bullet on these loans and bail these people out.  Give them back the 1.5 points for doing the loans.

Maybe all the foreclosures are really people who didn't actually qualify in the first place but were given loans anyway?

The market should be great.  This is clearly a lender issue not a REALTOR issue or market issue. 

If the media would change gears and attack the real issue things would change.

Am I wrong?  Where is the NAR stand on that?  The REALTORS don't approve loans for these people.

I have nothing against you hard working lenders that do a good job.  You know who you are.

03/11/2008 12:28 AM by Brian Blake (My-MLSOnline.com Real Estate IDX)


I understand their 'cheerleader' role, but a better approach may be to acknowledge the reality of the situation and offer practical solutions.  It really isn't the best time to buy for a good portion of the population, and for the rest, competent, honest, professional guidance is required to ensure protection in this market.   

03/11/2008 01:22 AM by Joe Hayden - Louisville, KY Homes for Sale (S.G. Priest Realtors)


Censorship - Ouch!!  That is a hard one to swallow. 

I have appreciated the REALTOR commercials because there is a positive side of this market and it has been underreported - having said that, I do agree that they are saying too little too often.  The same message repeated over and over can sound self-serving to a public that is sometimes already suspicious of our profession. 

I suppose that it is up to us as individuals to expand on the message and back it up in parts of the country where we can with stats, expertise, discussions and our blogs.  Ultimately, we are all responsible for providing the expertise on a personal level!

Tiffany Cloud, Arizona

(sidenote:  funny thing, the spell check just caught the word 'blogs' as misspelled -- on a blog....OK, it's really late and that just seems funny to me! :) )

03/11/2008 05:17 AM by Tiffany Cloud (Realty Executives)


Lane, keep us posted on what the outcome is.  Would love to see our NAR reacts.

03/11/2008 06:21 AM by Russ Lenich Naperville, IL Homes (Baird & Warner)


You are right about NAR thinking that Realtors exist for there benefit rather than just the opposite.That petains to the local level as well. It seems that our state Realtor organiztion brainstorms constantly on how to milk us for more dues, fees, designation absurdities, mandatory this and that - all with a cost attached. 

03/11/2008 06:47 AM by Kristal Pooler - North Shore & Cape Ann (Kristal Pooler & Associates. Coast & Country Properties Inc.)


Eliud Gautier, Realtor Associate, a member of NJAR - vote no on censorship.

03/11/2008 06:59 AM by Eliud Gautier (Foster Gautier Real Estate)


I would love to see them bite the bullet and post the comment.  They would certainly gain my respect (finally) if they did so.

03/11/2008 07:26 AM by Jeannie Kontis - Lancaster Real Estate, Lancaster PA Homes for Sale (Long & Foster Real Estate, Lancaster PA)


Lane - Looks like you got the pot stirring, I like it:-)  If it was intended censorship, it's a sad state of affairs.  Sounds to me like NAR has about as much of a pulse on the reality of the market as a whole as our current administration.

03/11/2008 07:49 AM by Jason Sardi, Pennsylvania Mortgage Broker (First Choice Equity Group Inc.)


Lane;

I beleive this NAR's post(s) is/are out of frustration. When you deal with such an incredible force as powerful as the media, (in which I believe is the most powerful force in the world) it just becomes tiring to fight..its like throwing rocks at a tank...you can throw all day, but those rocks bounce off...coupled with - "THEY DONT GET IT" I think any negativity right now is not what their looking for..the word "lousy" may have upset them...(remember, the media regualtes EVERYTHING in the world, including the upcoming election)

BUT....I do agree with you...and i have said myself (on AR) why doesnt the NAR find someone on this site to do their blogging or internet advertising/propaganda/fighting/whatever to help them, they simply dont "get" the whole blogging thing...they seem to avoid it... 

All they need to do is open their eyes and come onto AR and find some people to help them with this...there are 100's of incredibly talented bloggers/writers on this forum...MOST REALTORS dont get blogging, the internet, etc...my broker in fact asks me "what do you do on the internet" WHAT???????