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Jpeg PhotoEarlier this week I received a call from a first-time home-buyer wanting to revisit the possibilities of a home purchase. This client had contacted me about 6 months ago and we had a general discussion about their personal circumstances....they were "credit challenged" then and still are now. While I recalled their names and the fact that we spoke I could not remember the specifics of their situation.

I have always been willing to provide information, guidance, recommendations to consumers about why they may not qualify for a mortgage and how they could get themselves on a "path to homeownership......that is, if they were willing to listen........ and willing to commit themselves to the effort.  If they appear sincere in their efforts to improve/correct their circumstances then I am very willing to spend some of my "valuable time" (more later) in counselling them. 

More often than not I hear this; "I appreciate what you have done and what you have shared, no one else has taken the time to explain what the problems are and/or what we have to do to prepare ourselves  to qualify.  Just...sorry but there's nothing that we can do."  Although not all that many seem to act on on my recommendations, I do get that occasional call with the voice on  the other end stating "Ron, this is so and so. I don't know if you remember me/us but we spoke  XX months ago and you counselled us on what I/we need to do to improve or correct our circumstances. I/we have worked on this and think that maybe it's time to try to qualify again."  For me this is a great feeling...to know that you may have had a "positive impact" on someone's life!

I subscribe to the concept that "Time Is Money" however, I don't let that override the level and quality of my services. At the end of the day....it's also about life and how you choose to navigate through it.....a golden  rule comes to mind!

However,  back to my story!  In speaking with this client I learned that she was the victim of fraud/identity theft about 3 months ago which further serves to exacerbate her credit issues.  Evidently she had been contacted by someone supposedly marketing a satellite/dish network system. As part of the "application process" she provided personal information as well as her bank debit card details. She received a couple  follow on calls over the next few days asking one question or another.  Nothing happened as far as the application process and she did not hear further from the representative.

In a period of 30 days or so afterward she learned that her bank account had been accessed and other credit transactions had been done in her name.  She is still dealing with  the circumstances.   Her bank ended up issuing her a new debit card and eventually a new checking account.

In  trying to collect  the facts I asked her a few questions as follows: 1) Did you file a police report?  Answer--No!  2) Did you contact the 3 major credit bureaus to report all of this and implement a consumer statement and fraud alert?   Answer-----no!  3) Why didn't you do these things?  Answer----I didn't know that is  what I should have done!  .....and the kicker question 4) Didn't your bank recommend or suggest to you that these actions should be  taken?   Answer---NO!  WHOA!   Well now I am  thinking are these the facts?  How could she go through all of this and the bank representative not provide this guidance?  Believable....or.....Plausible?

I would like to believe that her bank had a standard procedure or policy in how they handle these type of circumstances with their clients. Do they?... or is it just that the bank representative was not professional, service oriented or just doesn't really care?

Regardless, I have pulled the credit report and will counsel her and provide recommendations for follow on actions in dealing with the fraud/identity theft as well as what can be done to put her and her husband on the  path to homeownership.  Will they accept my advice and focus their efforts on this path?  Who knows?  Will I  have wasted my valuable time on dispensing my advice?  Maybe..maybe not!  But it doesn't matter....it is a part of trying to be professional and offering quality service along the way. Hopefully what goes around comes around .......and I will fell good about it!

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45 Comments on Why Don't Some Professionals Offer Consumers Sound Advice?

I am glad somebody is helping that poor woman.  She needs help to get back on her feet.  I am surprised that her bank did not tell her what to do. 

02/16/2008 05:39 AM by Russ Ravary - Michigan Homes for sale - Michigan Real estate & Mortgage info (Remerica Hometown One)


Unfortunately there are people who do not believe in Customer Service.

02/16/2008 05:51 AM by GITA BANTWAL, REALTOR BUCKS COUNTY, PA HOMES (ReMax Centre Realtors)


Ron, you're one of the "good guys".  My go-to mortgage people are ones who WILL take the time to help and counsel those whether they can purchase now or not.   

Thankfully, you can help this woman and are willing to do so.  

02/16/2008 06:08 AM by Kris Wales-Macomb County MI real estate -Ask me about buyers agency in Michigan (RE/MAX Advantage 1, Inc.)


Ron, thanks to you this girl will get back on her feet!  Leaves something to be said of the others

02/16/2008 06:26 AM by Lynchburg, Roanoke & Danville Area Nannette Saunders ASSOCIATE BROKER (Bradner, Farmer, Towler and Associates)


Ron,

The woman taken advantage of would make a good topic on making sure that before you even give out your information, you verify that the person you are giving it to is legitimate.

02/16/2008 06:27 AM by Las Vegas Real Estate - Paul Francis, CRS (Prudential Americana Group)


It is unfortunate, but it seems that there's a trend of pushing away those whom one can't immediately benefit from in today's world.  Building relationships in business is an art that is becoming more scarce.

02/16/2008 07:12 AM by Kent Simpson REALTOR®, CNS®, AHS®, RECS® (with The Pepper Group™ Diversified Real Estate)


Russ,

Thanks for stopping by and commenting.  I will try to help to the extent she demonstrates an interest and some personal commitment to take some positive action.

Gita,

Sadly, there are those that won't share their knowledge unless it's going to put a buck in the pocketbook. However, there are always other opportunities for tangible earnings.

02/16/2008 10:15 AM by Ron Withers - Mortgage Professional (Sr. Loan Officer, LMB) (Town & Country Mortgage Services, Inc.)


I guess this is just a good example as to what I pointed out in my post earlier this week "No Cold Calls Please-Our Lives and Identites Are at Stake".  You just can not answer personal questions over the phone!  If it is a legitimate business they will work with you via snail mail.  Do not fall for the email schemes either!

02/16/2008 11:53 AM by Cindy Jones-Northern Virginia Real Estate & Military Relocation Services (RE/MAX Allegiance #1 RE/MAX Company in the World)


I'm not surprise at all that banks aren't there to give additional advice other than their own protocol.

IMO banks have one of the worst Customer Service reps out there. They are like robots, simply following orders. Most of them are afraid of doing anything above and beyond what they are hired to do. I'll go to as far as blaming upper management for not "taking on the responsibility" for helping victims.

Thank you Ron for being a trooper in helping others get back on their feet.

02/16/2008 01:27 PM by Johnny Huang, MBA Realtor (Cross Walk Realty)


Ron, Good to see you my friend. helping folks is what we are supposed to do. If we help and do it often the money will take care of itself. Good job!!

02/16/2008 02:55 PM by Bryant Tutas-Tutas Towne Realty, Inc


When something like this happened to me my bank did help me stop payment, etc. but they gave no further advice on anything else!  They were courteous, etc. and did take the blame for amounts taken out of the account but no mention ever about a police report or my credit report!  Thanks for taking the time to help a women out & explain the "credit ropes" so to speak. Thanks for taking the time with first time homebuyers & showing them the way in general!  Great dedication!

02/16/2008 04:22 PM by Lyn Sims and the Blog Dog (RE/MAX Suburban)


Having been a victim my self and my bank did amazing things to help(including sending IT folks, at their expense to my self to check everything from firewalls to whatever they check). Not a local bank but JP Morgan Chase. Not contacting CB and filing a police report does sound a littley fishy. Maybe more to the story?

Not sure. I am not were near the client. Just my two cents

Happy Selling!
Tony Grego - Indiana Mortgage Broker

02/16/2008 04:46 PM by Tony Grego with AmeriSave


Hi Ron,

Unfortunately, that story is not too uncommon in today's world.  I'm sure you see plenty of borrowers, who have inaccurate credit reports, etc.

Identity Theft is a huge problem in our country and dealing with it once it's happened to you is even worse.

That's why I've had the Identity Theft Shield service for the past 4 years as it constantly monitors my credit and if something happens, I have an identity theft expert available to help me.  I won't have to figure it out myself.

If you'd like info on the service and I use and offer to my clients, send me an email off-line.

02/16/2008 05:54 PM by Dan Weis - Cincinnati Real Estate (RE/MAX Unlimited)


Ron...I love the 'do you remember me' phone calls!  My experience has shown me that I cannot judge too harshly other's circumstances and I just need to give the best advice / provide the best service I am able.  Those who are willing to help themselves will act and those who are looking for a handout will move on.  The hardest call is deciding which you are dealing with...

02/16/2008 05:59 PM by Joe Hayden - Louisville, KY Homes for Sale (S.G. Priest Realtors)


some people just arent born to be customer service savvy and don't realize the importance of giving the right information. I wold be really mad at my bank if i had reported this to them and they didn't give me proper advice to correct my situation.

02/16/2008 08:06 PM by Dee Neal Philadelphia Real Estate (Exit Realty Waterfront Group)


I believe that loyalty is a two way street.  If clients commit to me I will commit to them.  If they waiver I say "next".

02/16/2008 09:26 PM by The Best Spot Realty/Waterfront Real Estate/Ooltewah Real E


Cool Ron - We always like it when we run across another professional who cares. There's a lot of us like that these days, but it's still always great to find it.  Sometimes folks will take our help, other times they don't, and we just move on. It's often hard to do though.

best 

02/16/2008 09:30 PM by Gary Bolen (CRS) Lake Tahoe Real Estate Information (Dickson Realty - South Lake Tahoe)


I have found that good experienced mortgage brokers and lenders are helping a LOT of people deal with identity theft. Not a lot of other places for people to get some solid How-To advice.

02/16/2008 09:34 PM by Sarah Nopp, REALTOR(R), CRS. RE/MAX Four Seasons, Olympia WA (RE/MAX Four Seasons)


This woman does not know how to stand up for herself. There will always be someone to take advantage of her. I am glad you are helping her. It is the right thing to do.

02/16/2008 10:25 PM by Tigard Oregon Real Estate >> Wayne B. Pruner, GRI (Oregon First)


Ron - I was a victim of identity theft myself and was able to do all the needed steps easy enough I think because of what I do for a living ... but I've talked to others who find the entire process very daunting and confusing so I'd like to think that this woman genuinely didn't know this from that and will benefit from your guidance. However --- I'd tred carefully if she does get to the point where she does qualify for home ownership and you may choose to read the entire contract to her as if you were a teacher because she could come back later and claim that "she didn't really understand what she was signing".

02/16/2008 10:47 PM by Jennifer Martin (Century 21 Towne and Country Realty)


Ron, a good friend of mine had his identity also stolen, he wound up having to get a new Social Security number as a result of it.

02/16/2008 11:03 PM by George Souto (McCue Mortgage Co.)


Ron,

Your story points out something really important. Being successful requires active listening skills. You asked questions and looked for ways to help. There is a good chance you have made a prospect a client and a referral partner. If not this time you will the next time you take the time to listen and try to help.

Way to many people in our business try to determine if they can close a loan for the prospect and if they decide no.. they are done.  

02/17/2008 03:34 AM by NetOriginator.com / RadarCommercial.com


Kris,

Thanks for  stopping by and your compliment. It's appreciated.

Nannette,

Thanks, for me it just comes with the territory. Simple advice that would take just 15-30 seconds to utter in showing a little compassion for our fellow man.

 

02/17/2008 04:49 AM by Ron Withers - Mortgage Professional (Sr. Loan Officer, LMB) (Town & Country Mortgage Services, Inc.)


Paul,

You are right, it would be a great topic about doling our your personal information.  What you are really taking about is "education."   Our educational systems may have some curriculum that covers things such as this as well as dealing with "real life situations and events" but I have to believe, as a whole, they are woefully inadequate.  If one were to attempt to break down all the reasons that we are in the current mess that we are, I would argue that the fundamental reason would boil down to consumer awareness which is rooted in education.

02/17/2008 05:15 AM by Ron Withers - Mortgage Professional (Sr. Loan Officer, LMB) (Town & Country Mortgage Services, Inc.)


Kent.

A trend of pushing away.....absolutely!  I hear  this quite  often in comments from clients. Geesh, just a ...sorry, there's nothing I can do.  Thanks for taking the time to explain to me why or how!

02/17/2008 06:25 AM by Ron Withers - Mortgage Professional (Sr. Loan Officer, LMB) (Town & Country Mortgage Services, Inc.)


Ron,

I love helping and offering advice but I think we all need to watch what we say because sometimes it can bite back if it is interpreted wrong...I always say many consumers just don't get it. We do get paid to work but we also get paid to point the clients hopefully in the right direction too.

02/17/2008 07:07 AM by Neal Bloom-Realtor ® Assoc.-CRS-Weston FL (RE/MAX Premier Associates)


Neal,

I normally try to respond to comments on my posts in a chronological order but decided that I wanted to jump ahead to yours.  I agree with you. For what it is worth and if I have my head screwed on right any particular day, I do try to preface my comments or advice with " I suggest that you consider this or that. Somewhat of a disclaimer...I think!

There are an abundance of "sidewalk attorney's" out there and it also seems that one is not in step with mainstream society unless you can find some reason to sue someone for something!  It really, doesn't take all that much to set those wheels in motion.

Many, many years ago as a mortgage broker, I, a purchase client and the investor who funded the loan were named co-defendants in a lawsuit by a relative (grandparent...believe  that) that my client purchased a home from. The case went into arbitration with 4 sets of attorneys involved.  Long story made short, my client (granddaughter) purchased home from her widowed grandmother. Grandmother remarries shortly thereafter and grandmothers new husband convinces  grandmother she was swindled and taken undue advantage of.

All of the attorneys readily and openingly admitted that when the dust settled they, the attorneys, were the winners.  Plaintiff was asking for what I considered an astronomical sum in damages. I  fought long and hard for the principle of it but eventually my attorney convinced me of the "economic reality"...no matter should I win.  A win would still be a big loss!  I finally ended the arbitration with my investor and my processor being dismissed, a dismissal  "without prejudice" from the case and a minute fraction of what the plaintiffs were asking.  My clients lost much more...a home and a family relationship.  More-so, in that they just decided that they too didn't want to fight the fight!

Also, at the onset of this lawsuit my investor had suspended our relationship in conducting business until such time the litigation would be completed. Which was appropriate.  Shortly afterward the bank (my investor) reviewed everything and said, "Let's move forward with business as usual."  We continued our relationship for several years thereafter.

So can a lawsuit come out of nowhere.....absolutely.....it happens everyday...and quite often...frivolously!

02/17/2008 08:13 AM by Ron Withers - Mortgage Professional (Sr. Loan Officer, LMB) (Town & Country Mortgage Services, Inc.)


Customer service is the key to success, Ron, and I agree with you that while time management is also a factor, helping your customers, even the credit challenged (in my brokerage we call them credit babies) and we try to help them, and like you, some do what they can and others dont...

As for the law suits, speaking as an attorney for the moment, it is quite often that the attorneys are the winners in civil litigation... this FACT should be viewed as a disincentive to litigate, in my view, especially in frivolous instances. 

Great post... 

02/17/2008 08:56 AM by Rhode Island Real Estate -- Focus Professionals, Inc.


Cindy,

Thanks for commenting.  Your comments are worthy of mention and consumers should pay heed.  Thanks for expanding on the subject matter.

Johhny H.

Thank you sir. Probably a great deal of validity to what you state. Often custmer service is more of a buzz-word rather than an action.

02/17/2008 10:57 AM by Ron Withers - Mortgage Professional (Sr. Loan Officer, LMB) (Town & Country Mortgage Services, Inc.)


Ron, This is a great post and I am glad to see you where featured. I know I always give sound advice to my clients then when they don't listen I swear I will never do it again. Just business.  Then of course the phone rings and then I go back and help them..

02/17/2008 11:17 AM by My Favorite Mortgage.net - Matthew J Blum


Bryant,

Thanks, I appreciate it.

Lyn,

Thanks for commenting and your compliments as well sharing your experiences in this area.

02/17/2008 12:09 PM by Ron Withers - Mortgage Professional (Sr. Loan Officer, LMB) (Town & Country Mortgage Services, Inc.)


I had my purse stolen from my car in my garage (along with some other things). It was actually the police officer that told me to call the credit bureau's and place a fraud alert, not my bank.  I was very thankful for his advice.  That was like 5 years ago.

Then a few months ago, my friend had her car broken in, and I told her what the officer told me.  She was very thankful.  Kudos to you for helping her with this one.

02/17/2008 12:25 PM by Melina Tomson, M.S. Salem Oregon Real Estate Specialist (Tomson Burnham, llc)


Tony,

Thanks for commenting and sharing your story as well. Sounds like you had some good people to work with.

Dan,

Yes, identity theft is a huge and preceived distant problem until it hits close to home.  Thanks for your offer.

02/17/2008 02:28 PM by Ron Withers - Mortgage Professional (Sr. Loan Officer, LMB) (Town & Country Mortgage Services, Inc.)


Joe,

Sounds like you can name this tune in two notes. I agree that sometimes it can be a little difficult to sort out and judge a clients sincerity.

Dee,

I agree, if I were an unwary/inexperienced victim and my bank failed to recommend these thing I would be furious and most likely find another bank.

02/17/2008 02:34 PM by Ron Withers - Mortgage Professional (Sr. Loan Officer, LMB) (Town & Country Mortgage Services, Inc.)


Gayle,

Yes, maam, I agree. Hands up, no hand outs.

Gary,

Thanks, it's great to know and exchanges ideas with those of similar/like minds.

Sarah,

Great that you see that and know that are professionals willing to step up to the plate. Given the attitude of many ill-informed we must work to repair a lot of damage to our industry.

02/17/2008 03:46 PM by Ron Withers - Mortgage Professional (Sr. Loan Officer, LMB) (Town & Country Mortgage Services, Inc.)


Hi Ron, My husband experienced Identity theft personally. He reported it to the police and received a police report. He reported it to the credit unions and called each and every one of the vendors that were affected.

1. The police told him. "Oh well". There's nothing we can do, we're swamped. But, yes, he had the report.

2. The credit company put a freeze on the accounts which required special verification of usage. They were sorry they could do nothing more. I went out to use the credit card...nothing different happened.

3. My husband received 5 gold cards from the same bank that were cut on the same day. Even the bank didn't take notice that 5, count them 5 cards seemed a little strange.

Luckily for us the fraud stopped quickly and all charges (mostly on-line) were stopped. But how scary is this? The police do nothing. The bureaus do nothing. It's all in the hands of the victim. If you have any good ideas for "us" as a whole I would sure love to hear them! Later in the rain~Deb

02/17/2008 03:58 PM by Deb at Brooks Prime Properties


Debra,

Wow.....bizarre!  Thanks, I think this was very important and  I am grateful that you took the time to share this with everyone. Certainly goes  to show that the system is not infallible nor anywhere  perfect.  At the  end of the day.....it is our own due diligence that we need to rely on.  Take nothing for granted when it comes  to fraud and identity theft situations.

I can kind of understand the police report thing. Most departments are understaffed, overworked and underpaid!  But it is still important regardless of whether or not they have the ability to do something about it.  The other points....geesh.... what can I say but consumers beware. Act quickly and don't take no for an answer.  You were fortunate indeed......all to many are devastated by this...and it could take years to clear it all up.

As far as an additional recommendation...one that immediately comes to mind;  There are credit monitoring services that consumers can subscribe to for a nominal monthly fee which will provide some protection and early detection of certain activities.

There is also a major service that is advertised on national TV that advertises/provides a million dollars or so of protection.  The owner promotes the service by displaying his Social Security Number on the side of a big truck van as part of his guarantee of the services.  I don't readily recall the name or the website address.

02/17/2008 04:24 PM by Ron Withers - Mortgage Professional (Sr. Loan Officer, LMB) (Town & Country Mortgage Services, Inc.)


Wow....that is horrible. I can't believe the bank didn't give her some ideas on what to do next. Hopefully they will get everything done and be calling you back soon!

02/17/2008 05:05 PM by Christy Powers - Pooler, Savannah Real Estate Agent (Keller Williams Coastal Area Partners)


My checking account was "comprimised" as the bank calls it.  I'm in the industry so I personally knew what to do, but all the bank said was: here is your new bank account # and your debit card will be in the mail in 7-10 work days.

02/17/2008 05:05 PM by D. Bass ~ Blog: Ask The Underwriter (Alpha Mortgage Training)


Debra and others,

The following information is provided as an addition to my above comments to Debra and to those who may have an interest.  This is not an endorsement for the following service but is provided for information only.

I had mentioned seeing a commercial on TV about fraud/identity theft protection/services.  I so happens that I watch CNN News while I am working in my home office. Well the commercial just popped on....website is LifeLock.com.

02/17/2008 05:40 PM by Ron Withers - Mortgage Professional (Sr. Loan Officer, LMB) (Town & Country Mortgage Services, Inc.)


I think most of the time the ones who should be giving the good advice are just not doing it.  It is a good thing this client has you on her side.

02/22/2008 11:04 AM by Don Draughn - Debt Counselor (Financial Debt Freedom)


Ron - great blog and certainly words to live by.  Every once in awhile you get someone who does what you tell them to do.  This is how I try to keep my pipeline at full capacity!  Thanks for all the great info!  JENNIFER

05/03/2008 07:42 PM by Jennifer Kladny Loan Officer ~ Armstrong Co, PA (1st Metropolitan Mortgage)


Don,

Don, thanks for commenting...I concur!

Jennifer,

Thanks for you compliment. You are right...every once in a while! Whenever feasible/practical I will offer assistance to someone that appears serious about positioning themselves to be able to qualify for a mortgage down the road. Regrettably, more often than not, their commitment fades.

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