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Thank you to Stephanie in WA for asking some great questions in my Mortgage Elimination IV entry. 

So, I'm wondering - does the calculation actually assume extra principal payment, even after what would be needed to offset the higher variable interest rate? 

Say I have an average of $4000 to deposit and sit during the month, a new interest rate that is 8% instead of 6%, and enough money to equal one extra mortgage payment of $1200 per year on a $150,000 loan. 

Are you SURE that I'd save that much more money as opposed to having the smaller 6% interest rate, paying one extra payment a year and doing bi-weekly mortgage payments?   Seems a little shaky to me especially since the HELOC rate is variable, and most likely continually rising.  Have YOU personally used the method?

Thanks in advance for your time. 

Stephanie, WA 

To answer Stephanies questions and yours, I am going to illustrate an example of how Option 2 - the HELOC method works with the following facts (remember, everyones case is different, so results will also differ).   I also use the same method myself and based upon my situation and numbers, I will reduce my term by 18 years and save about $122,000. 

Here are some facts regarding Homeowner X in this example.

Net income of $5,200 month and Expenses of $2,800 month

First mortgage, 30 year fixed with a balance of $150,000 at 6.00%, therefore PI payments would be $899.32

Let's further assume a HELOC with a limit of $25,000 and a ZERO balance, currently at Prime plus 2% (Prime 7.75% and 2% = 9.75%). Remember, if the HELOC has a zero balance there is no interest paid.

Using the HELOC method we want to inject $4,000 from the HELOC into the 30 year mortgage and on October 1, 2007 we do so.  We pay our usual payment in October 2007 of $899.32 plus a principal paymet of $4,000.  This will increase the HELOC balance from zero to $4,000.

During the next month, November 2007, your goal is to pay OFF the HELOC as quickly as possible and bring the balance down to ZERO.  How many months will it take to do so based on the facts listed above?

sc2Oct
Nov
Dec
Original Loan Balance150000 149860.48 149695.76
HELOC Credit Limit25000.00 25000.00 25000.00
Amount Injected into Current LoanA:4000.00
New Loan Balance Using System 150000 149860.48 145676.04
Current HELOC Opening Balance0 4000.00 2519.35
Current HELOC Buffer Available25000.00 21000.00 22480.65
                        
Regular Income5200.00 5200.00 5200.00
Lump Sum Income0.00 0.00 0.00
TOTAL INCOME5200.00 5200.00 5200.00
                        
Regular Expenses2800.00 2800.00 2800.00
Lump Sum Expenses0.00 0.00 0.00
Current Debt Expenses 0.00 0.00 0.00
Current Loan Payment 899.32 899.32 899.32
TOTAL EXPENSES3699.32 3699.32 3699.32
                        
Interest Paid HELOC0.00 20.03 8.44
HELOC reduced by 1480.65 1492.24
Closing Balance HELOC0.00 2519.35 1027.10

Therefore by January 2008, the HELOC balance is paid in full since the December 2007 HELOC balance was only $1,027.10.   A new injection at the beginning of February 2008 will be applied to the First mortgage balance and the same cycle repeats over and over.  The unused funds from the homeowners income is applied directly to the HELOC and if the homeowner needs extra money for "emergencies" they have access to a $25,000 HELOC as cash. 

At the end of 2008, the First mortgage will have a balance of $125,141.34 and the HELOC will have a balance of $2,519.35 at that time. 

By using the method listed, this homeowner in the example would PAY OFF their First Mortgage in January 2014, just over 6 years later by using this method. 

The total amount of interest paid on the HELOC during these 6 years and 3 months is $745.80 and the amount of Interest Saved on the First Mortgage is almost $139,000!

A 30 year mortgage of $150,000 with a rate of 6.00 would have regular interest payments totaling $169,746.58 during the holding period. 

Bi-weekly payments of $449.67 paid 26 times a year, which is like making ONE extra payment of $899.33 per year would shorten the loan term by 65.5 months and save $37,221.30 in interest.

A lump sum payment of $1,200 each year for the same type of loan would shorten the loan term by 83 months and save $47,240.35 in interest.

In my opinion, if one desires to payoff their mortgage sooner they must first have the characteristics I mentioned earlier in this article, they are desire, consistency, and discipline.  Once a homeowner posses those items, they must have a plan that suits them. 

Perhaps the plan for someone is to make bi-weekly payments or lump sum payments, but why can't we all take advantage of the Key Banking Principle and ALL apply the powerful benefits to our own lives? 

Would you rather pay your mortgage off in 23 years or in 6 years?  Would you rather save $47,000 in interest or almost $139,000 in interest?  What would it be like for you to have NO More Mortgage Payments after only 6 years?  That's almost $11,000 a year...

One last comment.  The facts and assumptions made above are made on the premise that the homeowner has no "consumer debt".  They have no credit cards, personal loans, finance company loans, store cards, etc.  The expense may include a "vehicle or installment loan". 

If the homeowner HAS consumer debt, I would recommend they WAIT before applying mortgage elimination strategies and concentrate on their consumer debt elimination first.  The homeowner in the example could have used their HELOC to payoff the consumer debt and would have worked to PAY OFF the HELOC first before injecting money into their first mortgage. 

Again, each case is different and analysis needs to be performed before one can make a determination which mortgage elimination plan is best for them.   Questions?  You can go to http://www.homeloans.cc/ to contact me at your earliest convenience. 

Thank you, Frederic A Din

Here is an overview of the loan comparison, the regular 30 year loan and the same loan with HELOC injections:


Date

Original P&I Loan

HELOC

P&I with Injections

January 2008 $149554.691027.10145514.49
January 2009 $147654.001027.10124875.14
January 2010 $145610.431027.10102937.91
January 2011 $143440.801027.1079647.64
January 2012 $141137.371027.1054920.86
January 2013 $138716.071027.1028678.17
January 2014 $136121.231027.10807.74
January 2015 $133366.330.000
January 2016 $130441.520.000
January 2017 $127358.660.000
January 2018 $124063.300.000
January 2019 $120564.710.000
January 2020 $116850.340.000
January 2021 $112926.860.000
January 2022 $108741.400.000
January 2023 $104297.800.000
January 2024 $99580.130.000
January 2025 $94588.460.000
January 2026 $89271.920.000
January 2027 $83627.480.000
January 2028 $77634.890.000
January 2029 $71285.860.000
January 2030 $64532.070.000
January 2031 $57361.730.000
January 2032 $49749.150.000
January 2033 $41675.350.000
January 2034 $33095.250.000
January 2035 $23985.970.000
January 2036 $14314.830.000
January 2037 $4049.370.000
 

3 Comments on Mortgage Elimination - HELOC method, BiWeekly or Lump Sum?

Hey again, took me a while to get a free minute. Thanks for the great response.  I'm still wondering.  Does this mean if you divide that 4000$ between 3 months, you're still paying an extra 1333.33$ a month towards your mortgage?  Hopefully I'm not sounding stupid.  You made an injection, assumed that you'd only have 3699.32 in expenses leaving $1500.68 EXTRA of your income per month paying off the HELOC till your next injection of $4,000. 

The advertising makes it sound like you would just use the $ you normally use for expenses to reduce the daily balance/interest while it was in the Heloc and then take it back out again to pay your monthly credit bill - so the credit card wouldn't be charged interest.  I was assuming you could make a little headway without paying more than nickles and dimes extra into your mortgage.  It was all about temporarily lowering the daily interest rate calculation.

And with that, you would need to have most of your mortgage in a HELOC, not a regular P&I and be paying down the HELOC.  Maybe I was confused. 

What this sounds like to me, is you're just borrowing $4,000 every three months, so you can pay an extra $4000 into your mortgage every three months.  Sounds to me like it would be easier just to save up the first $4,000 in your savings and do the same ritual of paying back your savings, make a little interest instead of paying it to the HELOC.

Am I making sense? 

 

09/28/2007 06:15 PM by Stephanie in WA


HI Stepanie, thank you for reply and response. 

Actually for most people I do not recommend a first mortgage HELOC (ie most of your mortgage in a HELOC).  I recommend that they keep their PI mortgage and have a small HELOC (small is relative to their needs). 

I am going to focus on your last question "What this sounds like to me, is you're just borrowing $4,000 every three months, so you can pay an extra $4000 into your mortgage every three months.  Sounds to me like it would be easier just to save up the first $4,000 in your savings and do the same ritual of paying back your savings, make a little interest instead of paying it to the HELOC."

The method I have described above is geared towards a homeowner who has a regular PI first mortgage and could use a HELOC second mortgage as an "injector" of funds into the PI loan to "reduce" the balance of the PI loan, which takes advantage of the Key Banking Principle of average daily interest. 

Since the HELOC balance of $4,000 would be paid back relatively quickly, there is little cost involved howver the reduction to the first PI mortgage systematically would cause the loan example I illustrated to be paid off in about 6 years. 

I know you want to remain anonymous and I appreciate it, however I have some further details to share with you about the HELOC method  - feel free to email me (fred@homeloans.cc) so I can provide a link to a personalized resource for you. 

Thank you, Frederic

09/28/2007 06:54 PM by Frederic A Din (Pacific Capital Mtg & Prime West Realty)


Thank you very much!  Email on the way.

09/28/2007 11:08 PM by Stephanie


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