I was inspired by another Realtor® to write this about property management companies

Even though many states have different rules and different ways they conduct business I felt a need to write this post based on another issue we face when working with property management companies here in South Florida. Some neighborhoods do not have an association so it is open game as to how they maintain the neighborhood. That can be a good thing or a bad thing.

The good thing is if there is no association then there is no management and no dues to be paid. The bad part is that since there is no control with how you maintain your property then your neighbor can paint their home with spotted or striped colors. Or you neighbor can let their lawn grow until you cannot see their front door.

Just to let you know ...I am not talking about managing rental properties or managing someone else's business. This is about a homeowners association that is managed by a property management company. They already manage different communities in Broward County Florida.

Now the situation is that I have a homeowner who we just found a tenant for. The association needs to interview and run background checks on the prospective tenant. The problem is the tenant wanted to move into the property in 3 weeks. They cannot move because the management told them the board members who sign off on it only do approvals 1 day a month so we had to move the date of occupancy to 60 days versus the 30.

I am working with a very good Realtor® on this one and she has tried feverishly to contact management but they never return her calls...."this is typical". She called me to day to tell me she decided to drive down to the office to get some answers. She was originally told she could not even submit her completed paperwork any earlier than 30 days from occupancy. She met with one of the property managers and tried to calmly let them know that the tenant needed to occupy this unit by September 1st.

They did say that if someone could pay a $25 fee they could speed up the process and have it ready by next week.  Now if I was to ask any expert in either the mortgage industry or a Realtor® I am sure they would agree that this is a lame excuse just to collect a bogus fee. From what I know about credit reports...you can pull them in 15 minutes. Isn't it enough for them to ask for a refundable deposit for $1,000 just to cover common area damages. The excuse they love to use is "we do this on a volunteer basis" Well... the people who answer the phone get a paycheck.

They are telling her that they take a minimum of 3 weeks to get a credit and background check done and then set up a time to meet this tenant. So how can they even meet our new deadline? I also feel bad for the other Realtor®..she had to pay the $25 because her client was so upset. "Whether they are buying or renting...what person would want to move to a community that is being run like this?"

Here is another story and this is involving a sale. When we get ready to close on properties in these types of associations...the title company requires to see estoppal letters and make sure there are no current liens on the properties. Normally title companies in Florida will request this information a few days before closing.They have to do this just to make sure nothing comes up at the last minute. These management companies will ask for around 15 days in advance but if you need to expedite it they will be more than happy to oblige. Oh...I forgot to mention that they will then charge the seller an additional charge for a "rush fee". Oh and I forgot about the courier fees that can run about $50 dollars.

In my opinion these companies love to police the neighbors and send out violation notices on time and charge ridiculous fees yet they will not follow through with helping out the good apples in the community. Always another excuse to get someone off their butt to do the job they are already paid to do.

No wonder these companies are fired and replaced frequently. The problem is that all of them are a problem and they need to be looked at to see how we can improve their services and stop charging these ridiculous fees.

 
This post has been included in Florida Information Broward County, FL Information

17 Comments on How can property management companies get away with charging bogus fees?

Sally,

Yeah right.

Scott,

No..there all like that most of the time.

08/01/2007 06:21 PM by Neal Bloom-Realtor ® Assoc.-CRS-Weston FL (RE/MAX Premier Associates)


Neil, this section bothers me!  I feel unless this is a coop an interview of tenent could possibly be investigated as fair housing discrimination in disguise!  "The association needs to interview and run background checks on the prospective tenant. The problem is the tenant wanted to move into the property in 3 weeks. They cannot move because the management told them the board members who sign off on it only do approvals 1 day a month so we had to move the date of occupancy to 60 days versus the 30. "

I've been licensed since 1979 In NY, Maryland, Virginia and Georgia! I've never seen anything like that.  WOW!

THe bogus fees are just the straw to break the camel's back!

08/01/2007 06:23 PM by Jim Crawford ~ Atlanta Real Estate-ABR E-PRO (RE/MAX Greater Atlanta)


I am amazed that an association has to approve a tenant.  I heard the same thing about a subdivision in Phoenix last week at our ABR class.  Why should the association have anything to do with it.  The home owner is liable if their is any issues anyway.  I have not run into that practice here.

08/01/2007 06:24 PM by Randy L. Prothero - Hawaii REALTOR® (Century 21 Liberty Homes)


Neal I'm sooooo lucky we don't have these in Poinciana. That would drive me crazy!! So much for the easy rental. Bummer.

08/01/2007 07:17 PM by Bryant Tutas-Tutas Towne Realty, Inc


Most Homeowners Associations are resident volunteers, and depending on the neighborhood, can be very reasonable or really controlling. Sorry you got to tangle with such a bad one.

08/01/2007 07:20 PM by Irene Potter (Zip Realty)


Jim,

That is the way it is unfortunately

Randy,

It is not that they shouldn't approve the tenant...it is about how long they take and try to gouge you to pay more the speed up the process.

BB,

I knew you probsbly did not hsve this from what you hsve told me in the past...this is the big city:)

Irene,

Thanks for stopping by to give your opinion on this issue.

08/01/2007 08:04 PM by Neal Bloom-Realtor ® Assoc.-CRS-Weston FL (RE/MAX Premier Associates)


I do not like most management companies, and they are the real issues here.  The HOA itself is run by a Board of Directors that consist of volunteers within the neighborhood, I was one for several months.  The problem with fees, etc. is at the management company level (mostly) and possibly the access to the BOD for signing and reviewing documents for approvals.   

That being said, I have not heard of any HOAs or Management companies running background checks on prospective property owners, except in Condos.  I agree with the question of legality on that issue, though knowing our rules in this state, they can do it.

I am always tempted to get back on our BOD, but I am not sure they would wnat me anymore...lol.

08/01/2007 10:35 PM by Robert D. Ashby, CMPS - Solid Rock Mortgage Corporation


Nothing surprises me when it comes to HOA's or Property Management companies. My HOA just tried to pass a rule saying it was against deed restrictions to park a truck in your driveway.

08/01/2007 11:15 PM by Adam Adkins, RE/MAX Metro (RE/MAX Metro)


Hi Neal, we have a group called "Property Managment" here on Active Rain.  If you were to post your blog there, we'd feature it, and you'd get responses and input from some of AR's Property Managers.  Property Management companies should NOT get away with charging bogus fees!

We have State laws in Illinois protecting the tenants from what you have described.  Also in Illinois, one has to have a Realtor® license to manage property for profit, unless they are an employee.  If a Homeowner Association hires a Property Management Company, all ethics, laws, and rules that apply to a Realtor® has to be used here also.  

08/01/2007 11:39 PM by Rice Property Management & Realty, LLC


Neal - I sit here shaking my head thinking.... what a greedy bunch of jerks ( had to think of a clean word there) wow - they will make a great name for mortgage brokers and REALTORS®

08/01/2007 11:40 PM by Central Oregon Real Estate | Thesa Chambers, Broker (RE/MAX Sunset Realty La Pine)


Great post Neal!  On the mortgage side, we run into this so often.  When trying to get information on the association, they want to charge us to answer questions....one place wanted to charge $125?!?  I think this is bogus too and they need to stop trying to charge us for doing their job!

08/02/2007 05:54 AM by Your Tampa Bay Mortgage Source


Hey Robert,

I think you might be confused. 2 separate situations.

The rental is in a townhome community..they require background and credit checks when screening a tenant for rent. I do like the fact that they take on the liability to run the checks and not us.

The second is a sale..when you sell your home in a HOA the title companies require to only check the HO's for liens or violations ,assessments etc before they close..it is the HO's responsibility to pay off those items...if a buyer closes without this..they get stuck with their baggage so that is a good thing for the new owner..I just do not agree with the fees on them and how the lack motivation from property management to send the info in a reasonable time and the rental screening process is just ridiculous to impede on some one losing a months of rent when the tenant can move in a vacant property 1 month earlier.

08/02/2007 06:51 AM by Neal Bloom-Realtor ® Assoc.-CRS-Weston FL (RE/MAX Premier Associates)


That's too bad. It's not like there is enough reasons for them to suspect our industry as it is.

08/02/2007 07:24 AM by Century 21 First Realty


Adam,

I am pretty sure they have to get enough votes to amend them...unless there is enough I wouldn't worry.

Diane,

Thanks but I have started too many groups and have joined too many...I would rather not...too much for me but thanks..if anyone has their opinion they know where to find me.

Thesa,

I had to give my seller a contribution for estoppals once because he didn't want to close because it would have cost him $400.

Leah,

Just another fee excuse for clerical work a processor gets a salary for.

Joe,

I wonder if it is legal and what would happen if they are audited on this as a legit reason to charge what they do.

 

08/02/2007 07:45 AM by Neal Bloom-Realtor ® Assoc.-CRS-Weston FL (RE/MAX Premier Associates)


I was just asked by one of my clients to foward this post to him..he wants to post it to his community newsletter.

08/09/2007 01:16 PM by Neal Bloom-Realtor ® Assoc.-CRS-Weston FL (RE/MAX Premier Associates)


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